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A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53761] Fri, 03 October 2008 22:59 Go to next message
timmy

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Apart from being fed up to the back teeth with them, it strikes me that, since the USA has such a huge reach globally, for good and for ill, that other nations should also have a vote. I wish to cast a vote!

After all, "no taxation without representation" has a certain ring to it, and the USA has managed to screw up the world financial markets single handedly!

The world view on the USA is, pretty much, that it is a laughing stock right now. A shame for what was once a great nation run by statesmen.

[Updated on: Fri, 03 October 2008 23:00]




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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53762 is a reply to message #53761] Sat, 04 October 2008 02:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53763 is a reply to message #53762] Sat, 04 October 2008 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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HUH!

This is just plain rediculous.



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53764 is a reply to message #53762] Sat, 04 October 2008 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not qualiied to comment on your post, Michael, but I have heard all this before somewhere.

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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53765 is a reply to message #53764] Sat, 04 October 2008 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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One finds the more paranoid one is the more obscure the conspiracy throries are.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53766 is a reply to message #53762] Sat, 04 October 2008 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Michael,

Forced to choose between the conspiracy and the cock-up theories I would have to choose the cock-up! Wink

Love,
Anthony
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53767 is a reply to message #53764] Sat, 04 October 2008 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David Icke, probably



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53770 is a reply to message #53762] Sat, 04 October 2008 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53773 is a reply to message #53770] Sat, 04 October 2008 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Timmy,

Please tell me what Occam's razor has to do with this topic.

The argument is, I think, the central contention in physics as soon as the objects under discussion can't be seen. It is arguments similar to Occam's that keep us from teaching creationism in school and worrying about angels on the head of pins.

The people in the USA are what frighten me because their beliefs and values are (typically) so different from mine. How can anybody fail to see that a "War against terror" is a meaningless jumbled and self-inconsistent concept invented by a fool to allow him to continue to do whatever he wants?

Love,
Anthony

[Updated on: Sat, 04 October 2008 11:54]

Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53775 is a reply to message #53773] Sat, 04 October 2008 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Creationism is a fallacy...

A concept invented to bolster an already unstable religious belief system.

In this day and age, I find it difficult to understand how inteligent, educated people can adhere to such antiquated beliefs.

It absolutly boggles the mind......



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53782 is a reply to message #53773] Sat, 04 October 2008 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Broadly "the simplest solution is likely to be the right one"



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53783 is a reply to message #53775] Sat, 04 October 2008 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marc wrote:
>Creationism is a fallacy...<

If that is so, isn't it a very good reason for discussing it in classrooms and everywhere else, instead of peremptorily dismissing it?

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N



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53784 is a reply to message #53762] Sat, 04 October 2008 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger is currently offline  Roger

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oh no....not the Illuminati conspiracy theory again.



If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53786 is a reply to message #53775] Sat, 04 October 2008 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Man invented religion to provide him with a sort of comfort by answering basically unanswerable questions. To maintain control over their flock religious leaders forced them to also accept other dogma, such as creationism. The followers are told that you can not accept one without the other and the entire package is drilled into them from an early age. It is a type of brainwashing, much like the child who is repeatedly told that he/she is worthless and will never amount to anything.

Even scientists are guilty of such narrow thinking. They may believe in the big bang but don't believe in an oscillating universe, as if all the energy and matter of the big bang just happened.

I do agree with Nigel that there is a place in classrooms for discussion of the concept of creationism.

JimB
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53787 is a reply to message #53784] Sat, 04 October 2008 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep Roger, that load of tripe again.

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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53788 is a reply to message #53773] Sat, 04 October 2008 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The people in the USA are what frighten me because their beliefs and values are (typically) so different from mine."

Wow. LOL ya know I would say the same of you, but not because I find your beliefs and values so different. What I find frightening is your self righteousness.

Don't be so insecure dude!

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Where some have found their paradise
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I think this was an ongoing theme on the X-Files  [message #53789 is a reply to message #53765] Sat, 04 October 2008 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53791 is a reply to message #53766] Sat, 04 October 2008 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to agree with you there. In my experience, if a cock-up remotely fits as an explanation for things going wrong, it is likely to be the correct explanation and you do not need a more elaborate one. SNAFU, as they say in the American army Smile

Why is it, that conspiracy theories are always so popular? I think it might be that if things happen that are outside our control, we want to be able to point to someone that is GUILTY or RESPONSIBLE for that. A mere cock-up or accident with no single person clearly to blame doesn't satisfy those feelings.

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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53793 is a reply to message #53784] Sat, 04 October 2008 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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It is mildly illuminating, though.



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Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53809 is a reply to message #53762] Sun, 05 October 2008 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe it boils down to the old adage that he who has the gold makes the rule.

Nothing is hidden never had to be. The economy and the working population are and always will be working to the advantage of those that hold most of the wealth, and they do work together for the most part.

Another truth seems to be that the rich continue to get richer and a larger population of poor seem to have less and less. Is this good, what will come of such a trend?

Now what about the middle class, do you guys think that % of the population and what they have is shrinking?

Another thing I'd kinda like to address is the economic troubles rippling across the world at present and the foreseeable future, can the USA, though admittedly the epicenter of the current woes, be held responsible for all? I mean I saw this coming a minimum of three years ago, so why in h*ll did the rest of the world keep riding that wave?

Would any one like to speculate on the ramifications and future trends of this seemingly new paradigm we seem to be on the verge of? I see things changing radically and would like as much input as I can get. I think I've made the right decision in becoming a truck driver as it is pretty much iron clad job security, especially for someone over 50, and it pays well, so when the economy does turn around I should have the cash to invest. Still I'd like to hear any input and thoughts on the economic future picture.



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They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
Re: A non partisan view of the US elections  [message #53810 is a reply to message #53782] Sun, 05 October 2008 16:14 Go to previous message
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Oh! Right, Timmy,

sorry to be so stupid: you were agreeing with me!

It just isn't safe to be laconic in emails. It is too easy for people to associate a short answer with the wrong bit of a previous message.

Did you ever hear the laconic story about Calvin Coolidge?

He had a great reputation for taciturnity and at one grand banquet the woman sitting next to him said "Mr President I have a bet with a friend that I will be able to get three words out of you during this meal." He replied"You lose."

Love,
Anthony
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