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icon5.gif Choices We Make ?  [message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 11:28 Go to next message
Michael-Kent Dobison is currently offline  Michael-Kent Dobison

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Howdee All,

I know that it has been some time since my last post and I hope that you are all doing well Smile

I have a question for you all and hope that you will take jsut a little time to answer. I do not need your elicitation for the choice you made, neither do I request your reasoning, just a 1 or 2 answer will be great. However should you choose to exercise your right to freedom of speach I really will not mind Smile

So here goes :

What Hurts The Most...
1> saying something and wishing you had not?
2> saying nothing, and wishing you had?

Thanks guys, and hope that you all have a fab day Smile

Mike Smile



"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54706 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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1 because I talk too much.

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Anthony
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54707 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fingolfin is currently offline  Fingolfin

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2.

In case of 1, you may get the chance to explain, in case 2 you only regret...



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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54708 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tempo wrote:
> What Hurts The Most...

These depend on what is said and why. In my situation of unrequited love:

> 1> saying something and wishing you had not?

If I had spoken I might have been hurt by the answer, and the aftermath of the answer.

> 2> saying nothing, and wishing you had?

By not speaking and then my own actions in never allowing the issue to surface, I condemned myself to most of my life in self created pain. That pain has been far worse than any aftermath of speaking could ever have been.



Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54709 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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# 2

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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54710 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike, an either/or answer is impossible. Depending on the circumstances, either might be applicable. Sorry to prevaricate.

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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54711 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 15:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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#1.

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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54712 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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I have to vote for number two.

But now I'm really, really curious as to why you posted the questions, Tempo. Is it something you feel comfortable sharing with the board?



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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54713 is a reply to message #54712] Tue, 18 November 2008 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james is currently offline  james

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hmmmmmm
i think you should all;ways speak your mind, then if wrong you can say sorry.
Wink
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54714 is a reply to message #54713] Tue, 18 November 2008 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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So, James, you are a 1, like me!

Love,
Anthony

But I'd like to know what Tempo thinks and why he asked.
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54715 is a reply to message #54705] Tue, 18 November 2008 20:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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#1 hurts more as you can't take it back. With #2 there is the chance of eventually saying something.

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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54717 is a reply to message #54715] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2 I feel for much the same reasons as others have said.. You get a chance to restore later ... possibly



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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54733 is a reply to message #54705] Thu, 20 November 2008 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cameron is currently offline  Cameron

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Number 1 for me. Words can't be un-said. You can apologize forever, but you can never make it as though they never heard it. Once said, it's always 'out there'.
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54759 is a reply to message #54705] Fri, 21 November 2008 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I'm not careful, if I'm tired or ignorant, I find it very easy to be insensitive and tactless. There are many things I've said that I've deeply regretted -- years later I still feel guilty about them, particularly where family and good friends are involved. Those people might not remember them now, but I do, and I'm far too embarrassed to ask whether they remember or not.

On the other hand, while there have been lots of times I've thought I should have said (or indeed done) something, very few of them do I remember with actual pain. Mild regret is much more easily dismissed and forgotten.

So, definitely the first. By several orders of magnitude.

David
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54760 is a reply to message #54705] Fri, 21 November 2008 01:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It varies a bit with circumstances, but nearly always (for me) the first - saying something and wishing I had not - is the thing to avoid.

It isn't really a question of what hurts most, but who it hurts: if I say nothing I usually hurt only myself, and I know that I can take it. If I speak out and hurt someone else, I've really no idea how hurt they are, nor how well they deal with it.

Worst of all, of course, is speaking out when I have no idea it's something the other person is sensitive about or likely to be offended by - upsetting people by accident is truly horrible. Intentionally running the risk of upsetting them can sometimes be justified (coming out to my father, for example, in my case) ... if it's a positive decision like that, I'm unlikely to subsequently wish that I hadn't spoken out.



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Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54762 is a reply to message #54712] Fri, 21 November 2008 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hehehe... Curiosity killed the cat Wink Then I guess we can all be luck that we are not cats Wink

Well I would like to start by thanking you all for sharing your views and thoughts on what I though was quite trivial, but it really does have some deeper meaning for me.

Paul you asked why I had asked the question I did, well it really is quite a long story so I will sum it up best I can.

While I was still in High School, I was good friends with this guy. Well in fact it turns out to be much the same story as timmy's. I fell for something that I could not have.
So it came down to the fact that I had to spend the next 3 years of school with this guy, and I never opened my trap because I just was not ready for the answer he would give.
Regardless of whether it was a reciprocation of my feelings for him or a complete rejection of who I was, I just was not ready.

I really had thought that I was over this, but it seems like I was wrong. It all came flooding back to me the other day when I read a poem I had written about how I was feeling at the time.

So in short I was also curious as to how other people felt about it Smile

Thanks guys



"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54764 is a reply to message #54705] Fri, 21 November 2008 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael-Kent Dobison is currently offline  Michael-Kent Dobison

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After reading a poem I had written some time ago, a flood of emotion seemed to overcome me. While dwelling on these emotions I wrote this poem, it may help to explain my original post.


Unspoken...

As the Sun rose up above my head,
I leave this land with much unsaid.
To pass the time was now my goal,
To live alone a broken soul.
Out of reach like the Moon and stars,
Round my head I'm chasing cars.

A burning flames secluded light,
Like the thought of you still burning bright.
In a blackened heart made of pain,
I still use your name to keep me sane.
Our time had passed and you moved on,
I still struggle to fathom that you were gone.

I walk the road in hope to find,
A reason in time to rest my mind.
But a dimming glow and faulting belief,
Leads my heart to find no relief.

I will push on with a budding need,
To learn and grow and nurture the seed.
I will succeed of that I've no doubt,
I will live and sing and dance and shout.

I have realised now I don't need you here,
But the thought of you still holds me dear.

I will move on with time I'm sure,
But a feeling like this has no cure.

By : Michael-Kent Dobison



"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
Re: Choices We Make ?  [message #54768 is a reply to message #54764] Fri, 21 November 2008 08:29 Go to previous message
acam is currently offline  acam

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Dear Tempo,

You made me think of a poem "The definition of love" by Andrew Marvell. It seems to me to address some of what your poem does. Do you know it?

If not, here is a link:

http://www.poetry-archive.com/m/the_definition_of_love.html

I remember reading it to Peter in the days when all homosexual acts were illegal in the UK.

Love,
Anthony
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