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There are lots of ways of being gay. Closeted out, flaming or subdued, macho or fem etc. How important is the French vs Greek dichotomy? Besides preferences in the sex act, what other facets of the French and the Greeks personality might differ? Personally, as a person of the French persuasion, I feel that I identify more closely with my feminine feelings. I don't act effeminate. I mean that my feelings are more like those of a woman. Just me, or a
French trait? Love you all. Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Dear Macky,
HELP!! French or Greek? You mean these are types of gays?
I'm completely baffled. I've just no idea at all what the character of either is or of what the difference between them is.
Please explain. I promise not to interrupt.
Love,
Anthony
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Macky
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French in the gay doggeral refers to oral sex. Greek refers to anal. Just a genteel way of saying suck or fuck (Oh my!). Love Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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For the sake of the Anglo-Saxons here why didn't you say so in the first place?
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Macky
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Sorry Nigel, My feminine side always rules. French kisses! Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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I don't think there's any connection between one's social personna and one's preferred sexual activities. A guy I know once described himself as "the most flamingly camp guy you're ever likely to meet" (he's not wrong about that!), but prefers anal sex to oral, and is exclusively a "top".
As for me, I've been fully out for nearly 30 years. I don't think I'm particularly obvious (but those who have met me may feel free to disagree). Interestingly, when I was interviewed for my current job, both the women on the selection panel had a pretty good idea I was gay, but I'd been working there for three months before the guys realised - and even then it was only because I made a passing reference to a "former boyfriend".
I'm neither particularly butch nor noticeably effeminate. In situations where I don't feel comfortable I'm rather reserved and quiet, but most of the time I think I come across as confident and perhaps a bit assertive ... guys tend to assume I'm a "top" until I tell them otherwise.
As regards a "feminine side" - the whole idea just strikes me as being ridiculous! It's very much determined by what culture one grew up in ... and for me, I tend to expect women to be realistic and competent, whereas many men strike me as barely capable of tying their own shoelaces (I share an office with one such straight guy, who was incapable of cooking for himself when his wife went abroad on work for a week!). But then, I've always been like that ... it was a prime cause for friction with my father that I played with soft toys as well as lego, wanted to learn about cooking as well as motor mechanics, and so on. I'm still just as happy to bake a special cake for someone I care about as I am to change the oil in their car.
However, I think I probably come across as "caring" and "accepting" - I certainly try to be - and quite a few people do seem to see these as typically feminine qualities.
So how does that sit with my preferred sexual activities? I've no idea !
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Thanks, Macky. I had no idea. Nice to know some American.
And, NW, now I've actually met you I'm feeling chary of saying how you struck me. [Because it wasn't quite as straight as you seem to think.]
And I'd quite like to know how I struck you.
After too many years without gay friends I fear whatever gaydar I may once have had has got rusty. I'm quite sure I'd never have picked out any of the people at JFR's lunch as gay. (Thank you JFR - I wouldn't have missed it for worlds.)
But KNOWING that they were was strange. And joining in with the group, knowing they knew me was strange.
And I expect women to be competent and men to be able to cook and wash clothes and make beds and vacuum clean. Why not.
There's a guy at the croquet club whose wife broke her right wrist and he complained that he was living on boiled eggs as that was all he could cook! How do people get so narrow minded?
But my father's limit was changing a fuse. He was baffled when I was happy to decoke and regrind the valves on my car and to change nappies and wheel prams and so on when we had babies. He never learned to drive. He could cook and do housework but it was beneath him: he would just send everything to the laundry.
But I'm glad the boundaries are blurring. One straight son-in-law fondles my bum when nobody's looking, because he knows I like it and everyone else in the family can treat it as a joke!
Love,
Anthony
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acam wrote:
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> And, NW, now I've actually met you I'm feeling chary of saying how you struck me. [Because it wasn't quite as straight as you seem to think.]
Probably not. I'd guess that my behaviour was rather different over lunch (a straight restaurant) than in the coffee shop in the heart of gay soho that has a lot of associations for me (and it was probably different again later, just over the road in the Admiral Duncan, which back in 1999 was the scene of a deliberate anti-gay nailbomb attack which killed several and injured scores - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Duncan_pub ).
After all, most of us do have a repertoire of behaviour that differs according to circumstance.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Macky
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Very well said and informative. There have always been stereotypes about this stuff. And we can all only speak from our personal observations and experiences. Maybe I have allowed myself to be duped by these stereotypes to a certain extent. But for myself, when I say my feminine dominates I mean that I'm always more comfortable and open around women. Guys scare me. Groups of guys scare the bejeezus out of me. So. I tend to think I prefer oral because it is not so evocative of scary manliness. You know I love all you folks, but I'm texting so from now on LYA!Mky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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