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"Pope Benedict said on Monday that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour was just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction." ( see http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE4BL0B1.html )
I'm a bit torn on this one.
*either* it's the delusional ramblings of a senile idiot, yearning for simple days of "purity" he knew in the Hitler Youth,
*or* it's a plot by the Vatican hierarchy to promote their church to those fundamentalist Americans (and others) who feel spiritually homeless now that a number of US Evangelical Churches have dropped their ranting about abortion, homosexuality and stuff in favour of "there are bigger problems facing us all".
Is it possible that it's both of the above?
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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When he was a cardinal, Joseph Ratzinger was known as one of the most reactionary men close to the top of the Vatican hierarchy. After he became pope Benedict he has not changed.
I find such a statement offensive in the extreme. Not only because I am gay, but even more because of the local and global implications of the destruction of rainforests. With his statement pope Benedict allies himself with those who from sheer recklessness and greed destroy the basis of life of local communities and even entire groups of indigenous people, and in the long run, the planet we live on.
Maybe we shouldn't expect more from the present pope. He obviously carries on the traditions of a Church which has always defended some of the worst dictators of traditionally catholic countries, and which has been neglecting the cries for freedom of the poor and oppressed.
"Why are we generating so much heat over this issue at a time when the world is groaning under the burden of dehumanizing poverty, when disease -- especially HIV/Aids -- is devastating whole communities, when conflicts are sowing mayhem and carnage?
God must be weeping."
(Archbishop Desmond Tutu)
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timmy
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By definition he cannot be delusional or an idiot. He is "god's vicar on earth" and appointed by god.
So, the deity of this sect obviously makes mistakes when he creates human beings and is not inerrant. He's a bit of a wanker, really, this sect's deity, then.
The man is just holding out his begging bowl, that's all. And appealing for a little more control of his flock.
What a shame he doesn't look more closely at the buggering of altar boys by his sect;s priesthood.
Have you noticed that he has the eyes of a killer?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Dear NW,
Or, possibly, he is a plant and is going so totally over the top with the intention of bringing the church into disrepute and making it harder for decent catholics to continue to believe the rubbish the church puts out!
So the question is "Who planted him?"
Could it be the Arabs, seeking to consolidate their position as the foremost bigots of the universe? Could it be Mr Dawkins, hoping to win converts to Darwinism? Could it be the Israelis . . .
But the fact that he was Cardinal Ratzinger before and his life up to then makes the date of the plant so early that no human organisation would have been so far-sighted.
So it must have been god, realising that belief in him is doing the human race more harm than good and thinking to bring us benefit. Just as he created Hitler and Genghis Khan and AIDS . . .
OK I give up. That isn't plausible either. Maybe the guy is just a wrong-headed shit.
I didn't hear about those American Evangelist Churches suddenly becoming human though.
Love,
Anthony
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Perhaps I went too far! 'Decent catholics' is an oxymoron. Right!
Love,
Anthony
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Oh, I've known several thoroughly decent Catholics. In my days as a Student Sabbatical Officer, Heythrop College (a Jesuit institution with then about 40 students) was one of my responsibilities, and I always got on well with them. One or two were stunningly gorgeous, which helped! The mixture of intellectual sophistication and worldly naivite can often be appealing ...
I have vivid memories of having to go to Tottenham Court Road police station to sort out a Heythrop student who was due to graduate. He'd decided that for the first and last time in his life he would get thoroughly drunk and behave outrageously - his only opportunity to cut loose, as it were. The extent of his rebelliousness? Running up the steps to the police station, throwing open the doors, and shouting "all policemen are 'nanas!" before falling over!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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timmy
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I think we come back to "the deity of this sect is a total wanker"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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forced to become catholic by my aunt...
kindly dont blame John Paul II he's Polish
so thats off the table no blaming it on him
he had a kind face as pope a grandfathery face
Ratzinger(pig) has the face for a murderer and pure evil in his heart
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Well, NW, I think your student was right and could have used a stronger word than 'nanas.
My experience of people in uniform (and not only policemen) is that they are bullies, are sure that they are right and don't know the limits of their authority (and so usually exceed it).
What we want is laws to protect the whistle-blowers, the leakers, the mavericks.
I heard part of 'On the ropes' this morning and the way they behaved to a member of the police complaints authority who leaked the fact that there was absolutely no excuse for shooting De Menezes - he was dressed in close-fitting clothes which could not have concealed a bomb.
Wearing tights is plainly not going to protect me!
Love,
Anthony
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I rarely let news items touch me personally, except that recently two have - the Baby P murder and the Menezes execution.
I have often heard about the japes policemen get up to while on duty to relieve the stresses of "the job". Usually they are confined to nicking the keys from another team's squad car. In the case of Menezes it appeared to me that it involved a gang of gung-ho crazy cops who thought they were above the law and untouchable, plus a women in charge of the operation! One shot to the head maybe, but seven!?!
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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james
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i agree 100% .
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Kay people!
I totally meant to post this yesterday, but closed it by accident. My apologies.
That aside, I think the pope in this photo has a few buttons loose. Who honestly decides it's okay to slam people against the wall like that. Personally, I think it's mainly bullshit.
I also didn't understand what they said when it says: "The Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, the act is"
What the hell?
That to me does not make any sense at all. People who are going to put others down for whatever reason, don't deserve to have such status as a pope or whatever. That's messed up..
I may come back later, but those are my thoughts for now.
See ya :heart:
~Josh~
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Love who you want to.
~Josh~
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