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Time at the library  [message #55629] Thu, 29 January 2009 16:16 Go to next message
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Don't you just like observing people? I'm not talking about the obnoxious-can't stop staring-making people feel uncomfortable type of look. It would be kind of weird. I'm refering to finding a place to sit and just watch people walk by. It can be so interesting. People are so unique. Well that is what i'm doing right now.

I attend a research university. Sometimes i go to the library and sit down to read. More than just reading, i look at people, maybe wishing the beautiful guy that just passed me will turn around and say hi. Oh just wishful thinking. I think it's fair. Don't you? I'm not hurting anybody, except maybe myself for raising my hopes up.

Another just passed by. I think i just fell in love again. Let me just mention i'm 21 years old so i hope you understand hormones are raging. These things happen all the time. Sitting here it's so toxic. My body aches at sight of every boy my eyes find attractive. Tuesdays is the best day to be here. I shall call it erotic Tuesday because that's how i feel every Tuesday.



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Re: Time at the library  [message #55630 is a reply to message #55629] Thu, 29 January 2009 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, M I do like doing that. I found one of the best places to do it was on the Underground - the London Tube Trains. Mary and I would tell each other who we had seen and how they looked when we had undressed them in our imaginations!

That was over fifty years ago. Nowadays we'd doubtless be exchanging mobile phone photos of the prettier specimens. We had a good thing going because we both liked men with dark skin! Ah, well! I was 21 in 1955 so when you look back from the age of 74 (as I am doing today) you will be able to remember this, M. I hope you will.

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Anthony
Re: Time at the library  [message #55631 is a reply to message #55630] Thu, 29 January 2009 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My partner and i look at people all the time. Usually we point out potential preys if the other hasn't spotted one ;-D. we have very different taste in guys. If he doesn't find them attractive they most likely i will and viceversa. Works out fine. (we are of different race by the way)


I hope i remember when i'm 74. Unless of course, i give in to insanity.

But it's time for me to depart. My next class starts in a few. We are talking about Religion and the Existance of God. Very interesting topic i must say.



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Re: Time at the library  [message #55632 is a reply to message #55631] Thu, 29 January 2009 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I know about that, M, I spent hour and hours in the Radcliffe Camera poring over Aquinas' proofs of the existence of God and finding them all spurious. My tutor was pleased because he was an atheist too.

In fact he wrote a book called "An Atheist's Values" and I have a copy!

I've never had a partner to share the mental undressing of likely guys with. That must be fun!

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Anthony
Re: Time at the library  [message #55633 is a reply to message #55632] Fri, 30 January 2009 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not being particularly academic by inclination, a couple of decades later and fifty yards away, I was investigating both pretty boys and the god-thing by direct experience ... up the tower of St Mary the Virgin.

But it wasn't until I was eighteen or nineteen that I could really discuss which boys were attractive with a friend (my best female friend, who I've known since I was nine). And it took me another ten years or so before I felt comfortable doing so with other women and gay guys openly.



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Re: Time at the library  [message #55639 is a reply to message #55631] Fri, 30 January 2009 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Religion and the existence of God. Definitely two very interesting topics and to my mind very different topics. My favorite course in college was the pholosophy of religious experience. The instructor began the class by stating that the pur[pose of the class was notr to discuss religious experience, but to attempt to bring one about.

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55651 is a reply to message #55639] Sat, 31 January 2009 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I couldn't agree with you more. To me religion (organized religion) was (is?) an attempt to control the masses. People have different beliefs, which are fine, but when they try to impose their beliefs on you, then it goes too far.

With regard to the existance of God. I think that is more personal. God could be anything that has meaning to you and provides a reason to live. Hence why there are many different religions around the world. I believe there are things we are yet to understand. When and if humans reach their highest pontential, maybe they will realized that the God they were looking for was in them. Who knows, but it's possible. Nothing is impossible - even the existance of God - if there is not enough reason NOT to believe.

Don't mean to get all religious. I hope you understand, these things are on my mind right now. I'll have a test about in about a week hehehe

P.S Our teacher said the purpose of the class was not to prove the existance of God, but to analyze the different sides and be able to make our own conclusions.



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Re: Time at the library  [message #55652 is a reply to message #55651] Sat, 31 January 2009 03:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing worng with 'getting religious' when it comes to explaining what you believe. I think it only becomes wrong if you try to force your beliefs on others.

Personally, my own belief is not that God is IN us, but that we ARE God. That we live in hell because we have somehow stopped believing it and that we will enter heaven when we truly believe once again and restore our faith in ourselves.

The course that I took in college did in fact bring about a religious experience over the next several years as I manged to have some very brief periods of time when I think I actually realized that level of faith. Unfortunately, the older I get the further away from these experiences I seem to find myself. Currently I am about as far away from such an experience as I have ever been.

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55654 is a reply to message #55651] Sat, 31 January 2009 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, M, I would like to discuss that with you when (if ever) you want to, but it seems to be to call on a lot of the theory of knowledge.

I'm glad you teacher said that because I am sure that it cannot be proved.

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Anthony
Re: Time at the library  [message #55655 is a reply to message #55652] Sat, 31 January 2009 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, e, I think that 'having faith' is just a short way of saying you believe something without a good reason.

And believing things without good reason is just not a sensible way to go on.

People who believe in things that aren't there such as magic and astrology and prayer and such just waste their time.

What benefit arises to the human race to compensate for the huge amount of time and effort they have spent on religion?

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55659 is a reply to message #55655] Sat, 31 January 2009 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"I think that 'having faith' is just a short way of saying you believe something without a good reason."

I think I have to disagree. As I stated before, I think that 'we' or 'I' am God. As such I believe that I have the ultimate power to control my own life and therfore my own happiness. Faith in my self is not a 'belief in something without good reason.' I think I have good reason to believe in myself. The exercising of that faith is the problem. I allow doubt about my ability to achieve happiness (heaven, nirvana) to prevent myself from allowing me to be happy. 'Faith' as I see it, is the ability to live what you believe. I have trouble with that.

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55660 is a reply to message #55659] Sun, 01 February 2009 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear e, I have no problem with you having faith in yourself. I have too (I mean in myself!).

But I think the way faith is used in general is quite different from your usage - so much so that most clerics that I know would say you were even perverting common usage.

You wrote: 'Faith' as I see it, is the ability to live what you believe. I have trouble with that.

Am I right that you find that it takes more determination to live according to your beliefs than you can always bring to the task and so you sometimes fail and it is that doubt that stops you being happy.

And I guess if I suffered from such problems I might be less happy than I am, but those who know me think my weakness lies in too much self-confidence even to the edge of arrogance. I expect it shines through in these posts.

One of my daughter bought me a lapel badge with the words "Often wrong but never in doubt!" Did I wear it? Of course I did.

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55661 is a reply to message #55660] Sun, 01 February 2009 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suppose that my use of the word 'faith' is somewhat different than the norm. But I don't think it's all that much different. I still have to put my trust into a belief that I can't 'prove' and then live according to that belief. When I speak of 'happiness' in this sense I'm speaking about a state of nirvana, a pervasive happiness in every sense, physically, mentally, and spiritually. I think few have ever (or can ever) achieved this,but it is perhaps the stuggle (or perhaps journey would be a better word) to achieve it that may be more important than the actual achievement as it is this struggle that defines the way we live our lives.

As for that badge, mine might be a slightly reversed. Always in doubt, but never wrong. ;-D

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Re: Time at the library  [message #55669 is a reply to message #55661] Mon, 02 February 2009 10:02 Go to previous message
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What do you think, e, of:

"It's better to travel hopefully than to arrive and the true success is to labour."

I'd guess that setting your target at Nirvana would make arrival a touch unlikely!

But there comes an age when travelling is a struggle!

Love,
Anthony
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