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timmy
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Why is it that society has decreed that kids are not legally allowed to enjoy sex unless it is solo?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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Interesting question. I don't know how it was for other guys, but when I was 13 or 14 I was more in need of sex than in any other time in my life. Hormones drove me absolutely nuts. Tremendous frustration. Wouldn't want to have to do that again. Anyway, there must be some society somewhere that countenances a safe sexual outlet for kids other than solo.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Macky wrote:
(snip) Anyway, there must be some society somewhere that countenances a safe sexual outlet for kids other than solo.
In most societies, it's because the age of social responsibility (can get married, fight for ones country, sign contracts etc as an adult) is much higher than the age of puberty. Insofar as sex may lead to inconvenient offspring, society finds it undesirable, and it "needs" to be managed. I take that as the case currently in the UK.
Where there's a significant underclass who aren't really part of society, like Victorian England, they are usually exempt from such restrictions. Age of consent for girls was (IIRC) nine when introduced ... "nice" girls who had sex before marriage were thrown to the underclass so didn't count.
Other societies have coped in a variety of ways - from the formalised age-discrepant same-sex relationships of Ancient Greece to recognising adulthood in the early teens (UK in the middle ages, many non-western societies). Societies which work on an age cohort basis (kids within a few years of each other treated as a group, achieve adulthood as a group, etc) tend, I think, to separate the sexes at an early age,and there's some indication that premarital same-sex sex within an age group is condoned if not exactly welcomed.
Matrilineal societies seem to be less concerned with such things - the important people are the mother and mother's brother ... not the inseminator.
Societies that place little importance on material possessions or access rights (to water, land, resources) often have a very relaxed attitude - either the rite of passage marking entry to adulthood happens young, or sex is not seen as any big deal.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Macky
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Location: USA
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I have heard that among the American Indian, male prostitutes (two spirit or berdasche) were available to boys. This provided the benefit of an outlet for young braves, as well as, a measure of protection for the young women of the tribe, because being sexually sated, the young guys were more docile around the lady-folk.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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There is a certain irony that a hundred years ago boys sexually matured around the age of 16 when they had been at work for two or three years. Now with puberty at twelve or thirteen it is years before they enter the adult world, ie work and responsibility.
The law has tried to reach a compromise which does not please anybody. Does it recognise that str8 sex is more recreational these days, not just for producing offspring? Also the law is formulated by those who have probably forgotten their adolescent urges.
Other countries are more realistic. See the link below.:
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Actually, Timmy, it's nothing to do with enjoying it that is illegal. I believe it's just as illegal if you hate it. The law just doesn't allow you to DO it.
But is that right? If two twelve-year-olds were to be discovered pleasuring each other would they have broken any law? I don't know what law that would be. Nowadays the police can arrest you for almost anything - the latest is conspiracy to trespass. I wonder whether we have any civil liberties left.
What I think is more to the point - would any responsible adult, discovering the fact, be foolish enough to bring those twelve-year-olds to the notice of 'the authorities'. Or even if they were fifteen.
I can't believe that any parent I know would have told the police or the social services or a school or even a priest (I recognise that my friends wouldn't be typical in their attitude to priests!). Most of the people I know had enough sense to realise that the less 'the authorities' knew about home life the better!
And we were really quite afraid of them finding out - to the extent that we told our children that if they were caught having sex with their boyfriends when they were under sixteen then there was a danger that they would be taken from us and brought up under state control in an institution or by replacement people judged to be more suitable as parents.
After they were sixteen they were allowed to bring their boyfriends home to bed (so long as they didn't get pregnant!!). Not many people were allowed to know what our attitude was and I don't remember anybody approving.
I don't believe that it would have made any difference to our attitude if we had had a homosexual child, but the partner's parents might have been harder to deal with. We never had the problem.
So:- I doubt society has decreed what you say it has (maybe you read too many newspapers). I believe that if it is a social decree it is one to be honoured in the breach - I mean it ought to be broken.
But we are, I think, unusual parents. I don't know anyone else who had our attitude or anyone who has a similar view (apart from our daughters who are both bringing up their families in a similar way).
Do you?
Love,
Anthony
PS Speaking about reading too many newspapers I discovered this evening that my twelve-year-old grandson actually believes that the 'star wars' anti-missile system has been built and works (and that it works by the anti-missile missile hitting the attacking missile head-on)!!
I wonder how Mr Bush did it. Isn't it amazing?
Who should we blame for that?
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The thing that come to my mind is that the consequences of even more restriction on natural human behavior is going to be more hidden undercover activity, (sex on the down low as they say over here)which in turn will cause increase in HIV and HCV infection…Not to mention all the other STD’s and underage pregnancy to boot!
All this stuff is getting out of hand, we can not and should not micro manage ever aspect of human behavior....
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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timmy
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Important points, and ones which I had not even considered.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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