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timmy
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From The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper - Pullout - The Queer Issue
Jun 21 – Jun 27, 2001
NAMBLA-Riffic!
The Beauty of Adolescent Boys
by Astrid Jackson
Who doesn't enjoy the beauty of boys? So hairless! So bursting with vital bodily fluids! So lacking in social skills! On the cusp of manhood, nearing his sexual peak, the barely ripe boy triggers reproductive impulses in us all. That the cultural omnipresence of smooth, lanky boys in cute underpants owes a debt to gay male consumers almost goes without saying. From Versace's shiny, skinny hipsters and Prada's cool, shaggy-haired waifs to Calvin Klein's tits 'n' abs blossoming from tighty-whities, current standards of masculine beauty are a far cry from the rugged, fur-trimmed man of yesteryear.
Adolescent male beauty is not masculine, nor is it feminine--it floats in the limbo between childhood and adulthood. While adolescent boys' behavior seems to be a construction of defense mechanisms to cloak those helplessly out-of-control feelings that torment all teenage boys, these barricades are still relatively straightforward in light of the complications of manhood. The hatred and hypersocial retardation that plague adult males are still just enduring foibles in teenage boys. The juxtaposition of this aggressive anguish with newly powerful yet awkward bodies quivers, a cocktail of unstable elements. Adolescent beauty vibrates in that space like a bell.
No one can deny the rush and thrill of power toting one of these boys around. Claire Denis, a French filmmaker, knows how to watch and appreciate a boy without making you hate yourself for doing it; her long shots glorifying Grégoire Colin's adolescent trembling (before he got muscles) in Nénette et Boni filled theatergoers with exquisite longing for the frustrated, aggressive young pizza-slinger. I found myself repeatedly fantasizing about rescuing him from beating off into pizza dough. Gus Van Sant casts Joaquin Phoenix's shuddering belly as high filmic art in To Die For.
Both of these masturbatoriffic scenes configure the viewer's lascivious desire within the context of "hot for teacher." Somehow, Mrs. Robinson types are tolerated as zesty old ladies or understanding, compassionate, mature women, while gay men who lust after teenage boys are made to feel like pedophiles for openly objectifying adolescents. Both men and women are capable of victimizing young boys. So what accounts for this difference? I suspect it's tools we use. As animals and as a society, we're hung up on penetration and the almighty dick. Apparently, straight women do not pose a threat with their nurturing vaginas and receptive, soft breasts.
Masculinity is under siege in an older man/younger man relationship, and it is all about penetration. The older gay man who lusts after adolescent boys is made to suffer because he's perceived as having penetrated the younger man, and that's not okay. Why? People believe the act of penetration has the power to "turn" the younger man gay. (I would venture that if Mary Kay Letourneau had been a man, folks would have been screaming for her blood, instead of gently suggesting that she was not well.)
I get giggles and knowing rolls of the eyes from my friends when I tell them I like boys. When gay men acknowledge they like teenage boys, friends hustle their toddlers indoors. Musing over the possibilities of revisiting teenage sex, my gay male friends (we share a common vision for Keanu Reeves) and I bemoan society's inability to allow the objects of our desire some measure of free will. Some boys want to sleep with older men and women. We can't deny the influence of power, but all of us should remember being teenagers ourselves, and the titillation of being admired by an older person. Some were nice, like certain camp counselors and co-workers, while others--self-loathing, lying, rapist youth pastors and the like--were monsters.
But others were sought after and flirted with, coaxed for beer and passage into the strange land of adulthood.
Astrid Jackson is a heterosexual woman who lives on Capitol Hill.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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An interesting article, though I dislike the sub-heading. Anything to do with the North American Marlon Brando Look Alike society horrifies me, and the subheading is misplaced.
It is the same, interestingly, with girls of the similar biological age. But does that may the gay man bisexual, or the str8 man who is surprised by his erotic appreciation of a boy bisexual?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Male adolescence is an odd thing. In some boys it can bring them to the peak of their beauty and attractiveness. They then decline. In others it is the opposite. They become extremely unattractive, not only in appearance, and after the peak of adolscence they improve into adulthood. I think back to my experiences as a schoolmaster to back up this assertion and it is particularly underlined when I meet ex-pupils years later.
We still have this myth that homosexual male teachers cannot be trusted with boys while heterosexual male teachers can be trusted with girls. Of course women teachers have no sexual feeling towards their pupils of either sex, only maternal ones, and so they are safe. lol
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Macky
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"An interesting article, though I dislike the sub-heading. Anything to do with the North American Marlon Brando Look Alike society horrifies me, and the subheading is misplaced."
I would have to agree with you about the organization mentioned in the subheading. Having said that, I would have to cast my lot with those who consider adolescent boys the most beautiful creatures ever to walk the planet. In fact, I would find it hard to believe any man, str8 or gay or in between, who said that he did not find their androgynous beauty appealing.
"It is the same, interestingly, with girls of the similar biological age. But does that may the gay man bisexual, or the str8 man who is surprised by his erotic appreciation of a boy bisexual?"
What do you base this claim on, Timmy? I don't think anything special happens to a girl's beauty at this age, although str8 guys may find boobs appealing. I think it is the female curves of childhood, joining with the straight lines of manhood, that produces the specific beauty found in the adolescent male. Girls just don't get those straight lines.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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I base them upon the elegance of form and lines, like fine bloodstock. I base them upon what my heterosexual friends have told me about the most appealing age group, though acknowledge that this is not a 100% sample.
The term "coltish" is often used to describe a girl at that age, defining something oddly masculine about her body form. I have never seen it used to describe a boy.
I think, with girls, it may be the body and with boys the face, but what do I know?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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I disagree Nigel. I think that all adolescent boys' beauty blooms. I think each one of us here bloomed like this, for a brief time in our lives. But it is fleeting. Growth is so rapid at this age, that the flower can be gone in a matter of months. I think all adolescent boys get an ugly period, as well, but who looks at them at that time?
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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This makes me think. I always find boys in their last two years or so of highschool to be far more beautifull than anyone else. I also have this naughty ability to appreciate them in the showers - but there is just something which appeals on all levels above and beyond the physical.
Before my current bf, all my others were slightly younger, and even those str8 boys still in highschool with whom I am friends have shis sweet naivette, endless energy like puppies or horses, a smile like the world is perfect and will go on just like that, a curious combination of shyness and boisterous oppenness, even unconsious crassness of body and thought. The boundless optimism, and the sometimes singlemindedness or worries over things that, in retrospect, seem almost humurously insignificant in the greater scheme of things. All this is appealing in a way that is so hard to grasp. This may sound very strange - but what I feel when I see a beautifull boy even three years younger than I am is as much paternal as sexually appealing - and that very paternal feeling I have for them just heightens the attraction. I cannot say how this will change as I age - what do you more experienced men (I mean OLD people, lol) feel about this?
I sometimes see this even in myself, but I'm sad to say that I notice it passing as I go on with life, even in the recognition of its exsistance does it pass away.
PS: My teachers must have been the exceptions, because I could swear in hindsight, that many of my male and female teachers have flirted with many of their students, me included. Just had to say that to see what the responce is. Lol. Cheers All
A truth told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent
-William Blake
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Macky, I think you are fortunate to see beauty in every adolescent boy. Despite what you say I was certainly not at my best-looking during puberty. I suffered the moody kind of puberty where I sensed the world was against me.
Dewald, I am sure you're right about the flirting. I know what effect certain boys had on me and I would flirt, but far more common were the boys who would flirt (or tart as we called it) with masters, particularly the junior ones.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Macky
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Nigel, to paraphrase a line from one of Kiwi's stories;
Inside each of us there is a beautiful young boy wondering 'Just what the hell happened?' You were beautiful, and the echo of that beauty is still with you.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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JimB
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Dewald van den Berg wrote:
> This makes me think. I always find boys in their last two years or so of highschool to be far more beautifull than anyone else.
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> I cannot say how this will change as I age - what do you more experienced men (I mean OLD people, lol) feel about this?
I've always felt the same way and still do, and I'm one of those OLD people. Sixteen through nineteen always caught my eye; though in the last couple of decades I have found that the age range has grown to twenty-five.
JimB
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Macky
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JimB,
Do you perhaps find the older boys more eye-catching because they are an accessible group for forming relationships due to maturity and greater stability in looks and personality? If you are just looking at pure beauty, not for relationships, but just for looking at, don't the kids just becoming men win?
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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ray2x
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Macky, I like your style. I was a very mixed bag during my adolescent time: chubby but involved in sports, hanging out with a theate/drama boy, getting a girlfriend but eyeing the boys, but I didn't feel at all pressure to conform to any set or group of people. And actually, it was after those years that I had my first gay relationship and felt that he actually loved me even if I was at the advanced age of 19 years. Maybe youth needs more relaxation to stay the course of life and not burn out by 20. Let them grow and mature and then the beauty can really shine later.
Raymundo
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Macky
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Ha! You did it all Raymundo. Sounds like a well spent youth. In my youth, I never dated a girl nor a guy, never went to a single school function (except graduation), never participated in a single sport, loved looking at the guys but was scared shitless of them because they bullied me. I was a twisted up mangled psychological wreck. It was only by grasping at religion that I made it through my youth.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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JimB
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Macky,
You're likely correct. I've had a couple of friends in their early 20's come to live with me in the last couple of decades and though we didn't develop a relationship we did enjoy each other sexually. They needed financial help and some stability to get their life back on track is why they came to live with me. The likelihood of that happening with a teen is slim.
JimB
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Macky
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Sounds like a win-win situation all around with the friends. And I understand why gay/bi are so reticent to say something like teen boys are attractive. Seems nobody ever thinks too highly of us or our motives, but we are not always prurient in intent. To me adolescent boys are untouchable, but they are a joy to look at.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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ray2x
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Macky, maybe the school I went to was not as bad as I thought. No one seemed to have agendas other that being teens. Maybe some guys thought of me being gay for having a friend who was in theater. Plus, I never had sex with my girlfriend. I'm sure she was asking her friends about it. You certainly made it to your present persona. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Usually, the path is never an easy one. I certainly was a bit naive too. That probably helped me through those years.
Raymundo
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