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Oh Dear, Men are becomming superfluous.  [message #57737] Wed, 08 July 2009 16:02 Go to next message
Macky is currently offline  Macky

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For brothers to dwell together in unity!
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A considerable ethical minefield  [message #57738 is a reply to message #57737] Wed, 08 July 2009 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never realised that there was a global shortage of sperm!

However, having suffered form infertility because of low sperm count and low motility I also wonder what these artificial sperm have over donated sperm.

I'm a little concerned that they can be refined in order to remove undesirable characteristics, too.

That leads in to the oft held discussion on "if your child had genes for Downs Syndrome, would you choose that this were modified?" which can be followed by all sorts of other discussions including homosexuality.

Ethics gets very complex, doesn't it?

I would not wish for a homosexual child, nor one with an unpleasant ailment. But what would I do?



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Re: A considerable ethical minefield  [message #57743 is a reply to message #57738] Wed, 08 July 2009 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The ethics are impossibly complex. I sometimes think that these researchers are mischievous little boys at heart. Even though it takes 16 years to produce in the testes, sperm is overabundant and easily procured. Why on earth would they synthesize a sperm, unless they were looking to whip up a frenzied debate?



Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
Re: Oh Dear, Men are becomming superfluous.  [message #57751 is a reply to message #57737] Thu, 09 July 2009 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For those of you who read The Puppy Boy, it appears we are one step closer to creating the fatherless child that allowed for the rise of the feminist society and led to the downfall and near extinction of the male in that society.

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A poll or a new thread?  [message #57755 is a reply to message #57738] Thu, 09 July 2009 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How interesting, Timmy, that you express it that way. "I would not wish for a homosexual child". It might be a suitable subject for one of your polls - how many of us on here wouldn't mind or would actually like to have children or grandchildren like themselves and how many would regard it as a disadvantage in life that they would not wish on their heirs.

I for one wouldn't mind one way or the other. None of my grandchildren is yet at puberty and there is no sign of their sexuality. I think I will welcome it whatever it is when it comes.

Should I start a thread - I think the shades of attitude could be revealed better by that than by a poll?

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Re: A poll or a new thread?  [message #57758 is a reply to message #57755] Thu, 09 July 2009 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm reminded of the UK deaf couple who tried very hard to choose in some manner that their baby be deaf. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1584948/Couples-could-win-right-to-select-deaf-baby.html

I find the final paragraphs of that article, reproduced here, deeply disturbing:

> Paula Garfield and Tomato Lichy, are at the centre of the debate over the new fertility legislation. Both are deaf – as is their daughter Molly, three.

> They would like a second child, but because Paula is in her 40s, she may need IVF treatment.

> They want the right to choose to have a deaf child and say it is discriminatory to ban deaf parents from doing this. Mr Lichy said:

> "Being deaf is not about being disabled. It's about being part of a linguistic minority. We're proud of the language we use and the community we live in."

Linguistic minority my arse! I've no idea if these two got their wish. I just hope they have a happy, healthy, well adjusted family.

So, no, I would not wish for a homosexual child. I would just wish, as I did, for a happy, healthy child with whatever sexual orientation happened to arrive with it, Homosexuality is a disadvantage, like it or not. It reduces the available population of potential partners even if it does nothing else. That is why I would not wish for it. Why wish even one disadvantage for your child?

I think this is as good a thread as any, though, but feel perfectly free to start one if you think it warrants it.

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Re: Oh Dear, Men are becomming superfluous.  [message #57770 is a reply to message #57751] Fri, 10 July 2009 05:00 Go to previous message
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Sperm will live on and on. It probably has relatives at a distant galaxy.



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