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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Though, to be fair, it is not really "online" that I want to mention. I am receiving information that the operator of another forum, very differently oriented form this one, has been taken into police custody for abusing a 12 year old boy that he had been grooming for the past four years.
That forum, Jeffs Fort, appears currently to be offline, in a way. I am pleased that we have no site links with it that I can find. I am sure we never had.
http://www.eagletribune.com/punewshh/local_story_224031923.html deals with the circumstances of the arrest and alleged abuse.
Just for any kids who are reading this, please make sure you do not get lured into anyone's nasty and somehow seductive clutches. That type of man does not love you, but he loves your innocence and your youthful body. You may be homosexual, but he is a predator. Stand well back and then run away as fast as you can.
Only good sense can protect any young person from abuse, and the abuser will look and feel like your best friend in the world until the day he starts the acts of abuse. So use good sense, and do not let the fact that you are gay and he seems to be gay to deceive you that he is a friend. A responsible adult may well admire you, but will not attempt to get into your pants.
There are no signs we can look for online to "spot this and stop it from happening again" because there ARE no signs.
We have met abusers here before, we will meet them again. Unfortunately the fact that this man abused boys will again state to the world that old saw that gay men abuse boys. But it is predators that abuse kids. Child abusers are child abusers. Gay folk are gay folk. Child abuse is a massive power trip that manifests itself as sex.
[Updated on: Tue, 15 September 2009 17:14]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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Where are they?
Part of me wants to condemn them for allowing an 8-12 year old boy to have sleepovers with a grown man.
Part of me wants to praise them for showing trust, even though the trust was, in this case, abused.
Not all adult (gay?) men are rapists.. but this one was.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Timmy-
What I am about to say is not to pass judgment on you or others. However this is a private issue between this man and what he has done and it is his issue to face. it is not yours or saben's position to be holier then thou with it and comment and pass judgment.The man is facing what he is facing for what he has done and yes i do know the situation. I have been aware of it for longer then you have apparently... It is not your position to grandstand about it being a safety issue.
Kids(atleast myself) know it is a safety issue and act accordingly protecting ourselves from it. Don't jump down the man's throat for this, Kids are more aware then you grant us for.
It was his mistake he made do not think it of you to attack him as well. It is not our place. It is none of our places
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Macky
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Location: USA
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"Child abuse is a massive power trip that manifests itself as sex."
I agree with this statement. There is a wealth of research available on adolescent brain development that shows, in a word, that there is not a level playing field. Thus, by default, any sexual act between an adult and a child is one where adult power is lorded over the weaker child. How could it be otherwise? Physical power, yes, but mental and emotional power are the real tools in the hands of abusers. Aristotle said that nature has the same effect on youth as alcohol does on the drunk man. He did not need a lot of eMRIs to figure it out. It was just obvious to him.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Please do try to read the words I wrote, not those you think I wrote. I'm glad you are aware. So those words are not for you.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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This is obviously a difficult post to make, but I would like to clarify a couple of points. We know for a fact that the situation was not quite like the newspaper report would have you believe. (Nothing new there with regard to newspaper reports.)
The Fort Family Forum is under a court order not to discuss information until a first hearing has decided exactly what charges are to be levelled.
The site is not "Jeff's Fort". It has been "The Fort Family Forum" for some time now. The only refference to Jeff is the URL, which is in the process of being changed as the forum moves to an updated version of 'Invision'. Jeff was not the owner of the board and never has been. The owner was originally August Christopher, (now deceased), who used the old name to set up the new site.
The whole situation has been most unfortunate and embarrassing to the forum, to say the least, as I'm sure you can guess. We would appreciate a lack of idle speculation until we know the truth of the matter, and it is public information. We may also know more than we are allowed to say at this time.
Timmy, the only links you may want to consider is the link to my site, and my hosting a tribute to Grasshopper. If you wish that removed, please let me know.
Know also, that I support your warning to youngsters who might find themselves becoming involved in any apparent similar situation to exercise extreme caution.
CW.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I have no issue with the links you mention at all, nor with any difference from the sole source given to me which was the newspaper article, nor indeed with the name of the affected board/sites. It is a place I had heard of but had rarely (ever?) visited. I very much doubt any of us intends to discuss the matter in any depth here ether.
The real purpose of my initial post remains to show that unexpected things can happen and that young people can put themselves at risk of physical and emotional harm by being unaware. The rest is broadly irrelevant, though makes the point graphically.
[Updated on: Thu, 17 September 2009 08:06]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Dear Macky,
You wrote "Aristotle said that nature has the same effect on youth as alcohol does on the drunk man." and I don't understand. It sounds as if Aristotle was saying that the effect of nature on youth was bad! But how can that be avoided? Did he mean that?
How am I failing to understand?
Love,
Anthony
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Macky
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Really getting into it |
Location: USA
Registered: November 2008
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Anthony,
I got the Aristotle quote from a powerpoint on Adolescent brain development. In that context it was used in explaining the effects of hormones on grey/white matter changes through adolescence. That plus many other papers, supported by eMRI data state that emotional and risk-taking in adolescence is different than un the fully mature brain. I know this is hard for young guys to accept, because it would make them feel inferior or sub-human somehow. But the point was that adolescent judgement regarding emotions and risk is impared in a way similar to that of a drunkard. I don't know Aristotle's original context for the statement. But I'm sure many parents would nod knowingly upon hearing it stated out of context.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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OK, Macky so the import of it is that the young are more prone to take risks than they ought to be (and more than they will be when they have grown up a bit).
I agree with that.
Love,
Anthony
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Anthony, I'm not at all sure that Aristotle did say this. But if he did he must have meant the same as the statement attributed to Socrates who, in his old age, thanked the gods for having released him from "a cruel and domineering tyrant". He explained that a young man's sexuality dominates and rules his whole being. Only when the activity of the hormones dies down a little can one really become the captain of one's soul.
I hope this helps.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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I suppose it must be true, JFR, that my sexuality no longer dominates and rules my whole being.
You could have fooled me!
Love,
Anthony
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