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Hermaphrodites  [message #58798] Sun, 20 September 2009 02:52 Go to next message
Macky is currently offline  Macky

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With the lady who was recently sorta disqualified for winning a foot race, because she was not really a she but a bit of both, I began to consider what church teaching was on hermaphrodites. I don't think other sects of Christianity have canon law and lawyers to interpret it, but I knew Roman Catholicism would have an answer.

The only thing I could find was that they claim that there is a test to determine the actual sex of the child (DNA testing is alluded to) and do surgery and hormonal support for the proper development of that gender. The Roman Church apparently has no opposition to proper diagnosis and treatment of such a condition.

But this church considers a person's changing gender as mutilation. Still, it claims that choosing a gender for a hermaphrodite is OK. It is remarkably silent on what sexed partner a non-gender-decided hermaphrodite should choose, and there seems to be no condemnation for letting the bi-gender baby grow up that way and determine for itself if it wants to go left, right, or down the middle. It would seem to me that logically, a hermaphrodite could not be homosexual regardless of the sex of the partner. And logically, it would follow that solely male or female people should be able to choose their partner without regard to sex too. I think these Roman Church people make stuff up as they go along. I've got to find me a new spiritual idiom.



Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
Hermaphrodites, transsexuals, homosexuality & religion  [message #58808 is a reply to message #58798] Sun, 20 September 2009 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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You make an interesting point about hermaphrodites being incapable of being homosexual. I would take that further and suggest that a transsexual person cannot be homosexual either.

As most of you will know I have an M2F trans cousin. She and I have discussed the concept of her sexual orientation quite freely and she is simply attracted to girls because she happens to be, but also enjoys sex with boys. Neither she nor I can see anything odd in such a set of attractions and sexual enjoyment.

My prurient cousin, however, wants to know exactly what goes on with some precision, and seems to try to make a judgment about her orientation.

I'm afraid the Roman Catholics will never, ever understand real lives and real people. I'm glad that is leading you to investigate a different faith. If you need Christianity, may I suggest you look at the MCC (not the cricket club!). If you do not need a deity may I suggest you learn about Buddhism.



Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
Re: Hermaphrodites, transsexuals, homosexuality & religion  [message #58839 is a reply to message #58808] Thu, 24 September 2009 20:40 Go to previous message
Macky is currently offline  Macky

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When I was single, I went to weekly services at MCC for a time. There is much about Buddhism that I admire, but I will never forgive Siddharta Gautama for walking out on his pregnant wife to seek enlightenment in the woods. I'm just going to have to make up my own religion. Don't worry; I won't proselytize. So far I like Mother Teresa's letters, the ones where she confesses to be an unbeliever, and I like her life. I am also impressed with this tongue in cheek quote from that smart Jewish joker.

"I am a deeply religious non-believer... This is a somewhat new kind of religion." -- Einstein

Maybe that's enough. What else do I need for my religion?



Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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