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Macky
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Well, there's a diabetes thread here, so I guess I'll mention my woe too. It's called Hypogonadism. You don't have to be old to get this, so you might want to consider this if you have similar symptoms. Its a big name for low testosterone. The doctor did lots of tests and made sure that my pituitary was normal. So apparently, my testicles have taken an early retirement. Testosterone decreases naturally by about 1% per year after age 30. That has been called male menopause or more accurately, andropause. Hypogonadism goes way beyond that. It seems that I have but 60% of the normal testosterone level for men in the 85-100 year old category. Impotence is, of course, one symptom. Low sexual desire is another. It's a little difficult to ejaculate with a flaccid penis, but it can be done. However, with this condition, I find that, often when I do ejaculate, it is not accompanied by an orgasm :'-( . Now that really pisses me off, as I'm sure you can imagine. When a man does not produce enough testosterone, it can lead to muscle loss, osteoporosis, heart disease, depression, fatigue and a bunch of more minor stuff. It's like it accelerates aging. With that in mind, I decided to accept the doctor's offer of testosterone replacement, even though this therapy increases risk of prostate cancer. It's in the form of a topical gel. I was gettin' off on the thought that I was rubbing some other guy's testosterone in my skin, but the doc said that this testosterone is derived from soy beans. (Can you believe that shit?) I just started replacement this week. He said that it should be 20-30 days before I begin to notice the effect. But after just 3 days, I already noticed that when I passed a soybean field on the way home, I had this almost uncontrollable urge to get naked and roll my body around among the plants. 
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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But you aren't 85, Macky, are you?
I must say that, as a guy that has his share of fetishes, I find the idea of a soya bean fetish rather 'way out' and not particularly attractive.
I wouldn't be surprised to find I had low testosterone, by the way, as I have kept my hair, which is, I understand, one of the signs.
And whenever the sun comes out I want to get naked and lie in it on the bank of a river where I can swim if I get too hot!
Love,
Anthony
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Macky
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Hi Anthony,
I'm 58. That's 85 backwards, interestingly. Anyway get your testosterone tested....maybe the doc can "top you off" on the hormone and who knows what might happen? You might want to top for a cake of tofu !
"And whenever the sun comes out I want to get naked and lie in it on the bank of a river where I can swim if I get too hot!"
You are obviously part wood nymph. Ummmm...there can be guy wood nymphs, can't there?
;-D
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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Testosterone will also increase in a bewildering way an "irrelevant aggression". I had some shots when I became impotent after unpleasant surgery. Unfortunatley they did not work for me. Shit happens
I also grew three inch long chest hair! So that had to be trimmed!
Concentrate on anything at all that will make you erect and then quietly work towards orgasm. I agree that ejaculation without orgasm can be most unfulfilling. Been there, done that, still do at times.
I've also suffered all my life form delayer (impossible) orgasm during penetrative sex.
I use anal stimulation to help achieve erection and orgasm without chemicals.
You need to chat to the doc about other mechanisms for erection, such as caverject - not as bad as it sounds, the needle is very fine.
Too much testosterone suppresses fertility, though I imagine that is not a huge issue for you.
Any chance you can award yourself a few presses of the entere key in posts? That makes them ore legible.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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Thanks Timmy,
The topical gel I use is supposed to time release the Testosterone over the day. When you were injected, you got it all at once. I can imagine the "irrelevant aggression" you must have felt. Thanks for the heads up.
The doctor estimated that it would take 20 - 30 days until I built up to the average level for a 58 year old male. So far, after 4 days, I can't detect any effect. If I begin to display aggression, my wife will mop the floor with me and pitch my gel packets.
The deciding factor for my decision to go with hormone replacement was the effects of abysmally low Testosterone levels on areas other than sexual function. I think I could be satisfied sexually employing the other measures that you mentioned. The ability to bring my partner to orgasm is almost enough fun by itself. But the hormone impacts much more than sexual function.
Well, one good thing about my condition is that I don't experience impossible orgasm during penetration, because I couldn't penetrate gossamer fluff with my sleepy member. (Hey...I'm making lemonade out of lemons.)
I enjoy anal stimulation and I have a wonderful willing partner to help, and it does do more for me than Cialis, but I need more than that; for some reason anal stim just doesn't get me where I need to be.
Thanks again for the suggestions.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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Macky wrote:
> The topical gel I use is supposed to time release the Testosterone over the day. When you were injected, you got it all at once. I can imagine the "irrelevant aggression" you must have felt. Thanks for the heads up.
In fact the injection was a slow release thing (no idea how, but who cares?) that released over a 4 week period. But I still turned into a werewolf. The plus side was that I had no need to remember it, the downside was "once it's in, it's in!"
Be prepared for it to do precisely nothing for sexual function, and be pleasantly surprised should it do so.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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It would be water not wood and, Macky, certainly not a nymph (my understanding is that nymphs are female). I was accused of being a leprechaun the other day when I was wearing green lycra.
I googled 'nymph male' and found that some people think satyr is the male of nymph. That'd do since satyrs are known for sexiness!
Love,
Anthony
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Aussie
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Just by coincidence I started annointing myself with this so called magic gel about 10 days ago.
Haven't seen any startling effects yet.
Haven't turned into a werewolf or become oversexed or over aggressive.
Thanks Macky for the warning about the soybean field, I will watch out for them but doubt that I will get any uncontrollable urge to romp naked in one.
Might just do the same as Anthony and lie in the sun though.
Was also diagnosed diabetic 3 weeks ago.
As a matter of interest, does anyone know the odds of being a gay diabetic with hypogonadism?
Aussie
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Slightly odd, I guess, Aussie!
But a lot depends on the universe - all men?, all people (inc women)?, all patients?, all animals? [ forgive the punctuation - I wanted both a comma AND a question mark so that is what you get! ]
Knowing the proportion of a group that a description applies to doesn't help anyone. What one needs to know is what other description also applies so that one can improve diagnosis and what helps to alleviate any bad consequence so that the diagnosis can be followed by a cure (or partial cure).
Probably the most informative thing you can do is ask your parents about their ailments and their parents and so on.
For example my father had arthritic knees in his seventies: so do I. I also believe that I wasn't the first gay man in the family - but that is very hard to establish since it could not be admitted in most societies until quite recently. And when prosperous men stay bachelors one can't easily find out whether it was because they had lots of mistresses or some other reason.
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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Seems we have a collection here  I imagine that I probably have a tendency to hypogonadism following use of chemical castration to remove erections during nasty surgery. That was intended to be reversible, but wasn't.
In my case hormone therapy failed, too, which is rather a shame. In my case it is likely that the testosterone receptors are damaged.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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Hey Aussie,
We can be werewolves together! Please keep in touch about any side effects you notice and I'll do the same. Also any copacetic developments. I know not everything about this stuff is good, but it seems like we should give it a try, because so much more than sexual function is at stake. Hell, I'm getting old fast enough and I don't need lack of testosterone to accelerate the process.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Macky
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"[ forgive the punctuation - I wanted both a comma AND a question mark so that is what you get! ]"
Hey, when the language can't keep up with your thoughts, you gotta do what you gotta do; even if that's a question mark coupled with a comma. You are at the forefront of grammatical evolution! Bravo zulu buddy! (Love that nautical talk...Ahoy! Cast off! THar she blows off the starboard beam! Full speed ahead! Abandon ship!)
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Macky
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Location: USA
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Timmy,
Perhaps you might want to mention this to your doctor, along with the previous unsatisfactory results. The multiple effects of very low testosterone sound a bit scary to me. I guess it's a "lesser of two evils" sort of decision.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I have regular hormone level assessment. I make enough of the stuff, I just don't seem to use it well in erections. Every other use is fine, it seems.
And the chest fur keeps me warm in winter!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Aussie
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Hey Macky
What can 2 werewolves do howling from opposite sides of the planet?
I would be interested in comparing the ups and downs of the treatment with you.
Do you get any subsidy for the cost over there. From what I have read the US price is quoted at $250 month.
Over here it is $95 a month or $5 concession price (thank God for the health card).
Aussie
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Macky
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Well Aussie, a 30 day supply is actually $302.99 here, just about the same as the eye drops for my glaucoma. But this is America. Whether I pay $302.99 or $65 or $0 depends on my other medical expenses and the time of the year that I make the purchase. Believe me, you really do not want to hear an explanation of that.
Oh, BTW, I think that Timmy might have a good point regarding hair growth. Here's a recent picture of me.
http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2009/10/01/ardi-pd.jpg
Macky
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Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Aussie
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Hard to imagine why its over $300 for a months supply of tofu, and also defies reasoning why yours is 3 times the price of ours.
There seems to be a bit of a contradiction in the hair growth too. I thought too much testosterone is what makes men go bald. Perhaps it's location specific.
Aussie
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