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Pedophile gets off lightly  [message #59169] Mon, 19 October 2009 16:58 Go to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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I post this link at Timmy's suggestion with a feeling of disgust and frustration.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3792116,00.html

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Re: Pedophile gets off lightly  [message #59170 is a reply to message #59169] Mon, 19 October 2009 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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After the good guys erased the bad guy;s disk with evidence on it, it's hard to see what else the stupid incompetent idiots could do.

Apart, that is, for investigating the person who deleted the disk.



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Consensual sex called 'rape'  [message #59175 is a reply to message #59169] Tue, 20 October 2009 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear JFR,

There is a problem with language. That is that the word rape, which used to be reserved for forced, unwilling sex, is now the technical word for sex between a person below the age of consent and one above that age. This means that for an eighteen year old to have sex with a fifteen year old is technically rape by the 18 on the 15 even if it was initiated by the 15 and neither party found it unpleasant.

And I believe that the important question is whether harm is done, not whether the law is broken. And the problem with the law is that it diverts attention from the question of harm.

I imagine that most of the occasions when someone over 30 has sex with someone under 15 harm would be done, but I think it possible that sometimes no harm is done and in such a case I would condone it. But, of course there is the problem of how I could judge and I admit that where there is doubt I would not condone it.

But surely it isn't right for the law to prevent someone of 15 from agreeing to have homosexual sex when if it were a girl in Spain, say of 13, she could have sex with a sixty-year old man and the law take no interest?

Are my opinions anathema to everyone?

Love,
Anthony
Update  [message #59176 is a reply to message #59169] Tue, 20 October 2009 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Tel Aviv District Court today (Tuesday) convicted pedophile Haim Atar of sexual assault against three 14-year-old boys, following his confession, as part of a plea bargain with the State Prosecutor's office. Atar was first indicted for nine cases of sodomy and indecent assault, but as reported by Ynet on Monday, the police accidentally deleted a significant part of the discriminating evidence. The court adopted the plea bargain and sent Atar to a Probation Service review to determine the level of his sexual dangerousness. According to the agreement, Atar will serve five years in jail. His lawyer, Chai Haber, said that his client "deeply regrets his acts, understands the mistake he made and plans to rehabilitate his life." Atar was arrested in February 2009 as a suspect in the case of a boy who was raped from an online dating site. Atar was convicted of nine counts of sodomy and lewd acts on children below the age of 14 and of sodomizing boys under the age of 16. The court cleared his name for publication at the behest of the police. (The police first tagged him with carrying on sexual relations with 65 boys.)

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Re: Consensual sex called 'rape'  [message #59177 is a reply to message #59175] Tue, 20 October 2009 13:48 Go to previous message
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Anathema? Of course not!

When dealing with adults what you say makes good sense. But how certain can we be that the consent of any minor to having sex with a man much older by far is truly freely given? At any rate, I note that in the case under discussion Atar was sentenced on charges of sodomy and not rape.

J F R



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