I expect simple behaviours here. Friendship, and love. Any advice should be from the perspective of the person asking, not the person giving! We have had to make new membership moderated to combat the huge number of spammers who register
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WORLD PREMIERE
Two Spirits.org is pleased to announce that Two Spirits, the documentary directed by Lydia Nibley and produced by Say Yes Quickly Productions, will have its world premiere on Saturday, November 21 at the Starz Denver Film Festival.
The film will screen at 12:30 p.m. in the 520-seat King Center Concert Hall on the University of Colorado at Denver’s downtown Auraria campus. The film will be followed by a panel discussion and reception, and the event will be hosted by the Matthew Shepard Foundation.
Fred Martinez was nádleehí—someone who possesses a balance of masculine and feminine traits—a special gift according to his traditional Navajo culture. But his determination to express his truest identity tragically cost him his life. At age sixteen, he was one of the youngest hate-crime victims in modern history when he was murdered in Cortez, Colorado.
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Sounds like an interesting movie, Brody. I have heard that many native American cultures held the two spirit in high regard. The movie "Little Big Man" gave an absolutely disgusting and misleading impression of them. I have heard other things about them, but have not seen anything authoritive. Does anyone know a good factual reference on the two spirit tradition in the native american tribes?. My understanding was that the tradition was observed in a number of tribes. I wonder if the guys here would have become two spirits, had they been born into the appropriate tribe at the time when the two spirit was considered a special cultural asset. Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Macky? You realise that the topic matter of this film is the horrific murder of a 16 year old child, correct? This is not about being considered a special cultural asset!
Please at least watch the trailer and then Google Fred's name and read what happened. This is about hate, and about bigotry and loss of cultural identity and reverence.
Please, please, before you comment Macky, do some research huh? This was a tragic situation just like the loss of Matthew Shepard.
I will offer this to you once again, go to my website, take a look around,follow the resources and links there. You keep asking for authoritative and factual references and I gladly provide them there on the website.
have you read Tom Spanbauer's books, particularly "Now is the hour" and "he man who fell in love with the moon"? I'm not sure about two spirits but they have a lot about the 'berdache' in north american indian tradition.
Love,
Anthony
PS I just googled 'berdache' and discovered it's right on the button.
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"You realise that the topic matter of this film is the horrific murder of a 16 year old child, correct? This is not about being considered a special cultural asset!"
I'm sorry. I did not mean to be callous about Fred's murder. To me the trailer seemed to say that Fred was embracing an age old cultural tradition. He felt so strongly about it that he died in the process of trying to live it. I felt that the best way to honor his memory was to become more familiar with the way his ancestors lived, as he was trying to emulate those traditions. It made me want to know more about the tradition in order to understand Fred's specific case better. I thought it would help us actually know him as he wanted to be known. Perhaps I interpreted the trailer wrongly. I apologize.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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Thanks Anthony,
The word 'berdache' does seem to define two spirit. But I think I remember that something in the derivation of that word is considered disrespectful by Amerind, to the two spirit tradition. I'm not sure just what the etymology of the word berdache might be.
What is a powerful message to me in the trailer, is what it says at the beginning. Something like 'in other cultures he would have honored, but this one murdered him'. Brody says the film is about the murder. I assumed that it was mainly about the dichotomy in the ways the same way of life was treated by 2 different societies. It just seemed to me that that would make the film unique, and would be a celebration of Fred's life rather than a mourning of his death, or publicizing the cruelty of the depraved young man who murdered him. That's still the impression that I get from watching the trailer. I wonder if the movie will ever make it to the internet so I can watch it and find out what it actually has to say.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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