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Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59742] Thu, 26 November 2009 19:13 Go to next message
timmy

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Please visit this link. Please sign this petition. Uganda wants to KILL homosexuals. This is one small act to seek to prevent that.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Uganda_Christians/

Once you have signed there is a donation page. Whether you donate or not, your signature has been counted.

For those celebrating Thanksgiving, that you live in a free nation is a huge thing to give thanks for. Keep your nation free.



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What can we achieve as individuals?  [message #59743 is a reply to message #59742] Thu, 26 November 2009 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My theme, almost sermon, has been how we can make a difference, over the past few days. I'm in the middle of finishing up my campaign to try to persuade the Anglican churches to condemn Uganda.

I'm under no illusions about the eventual outcome. Uganda will execute homosexuals. The Anglican church will do a Pontius Pilate act.

But that is not the point. The point is to act, as individuals, i any way we can, against things like this whether there is a reasonable chance of success or not.

Since I started my small part of the campaign, and I was number 1072 who signed, I've watched a sudden flurry of signatures, some of which are people I know I've affected directly by giving them information and asking them to sign the petition.

A small man can make a difference. Enough small men making a difference can make a change. Join me as a small man trying to make whatever difference he can, and please, make your own difference by taking issues that you feel are important and making your support for them public,



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Re: What can we achieve as individuals?  [message #59744 is a reply to message #59743] Thu, 26 November 2009 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you, Timmy. Without you I would not have signed.

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Re: What can we achieve as individuals?  [message #59745 is a reply to message #59744] Thu, 26 November 2009 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All acts, however small, however pointless seeming, that work towards the common end and common good, all have value.

Water erodes the hardest stone. Who can say that our drop of water is not the drop that finally destroys the cliff?



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59748 is a reply to message #59742] Fri, 27 November 2009 00:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I read somewhere that some US right wing groups may be helping to get this law passed....



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59749 is a reply to message #59748] Fri, 27 November 2009 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are back to goddamed missionary christians interfering in Africa, unfortunately from both sides of this.

I'm in favour of lobbying hard on this one, so please, please, sign the petition and pass it to your friends. This is a Human Rights thing, here, not a gay thing. Imagine if they were to execute all left handed folk....



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59756 is a reply to message #59742] Fri, 27 November 2009 05:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I signed, even though, the way the petition is worded at the moment suggests that I do not have the right to sign, because it is aimed at believing Christians. Nevertheless, I signed because I am a human being.

J F R



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59757 is a reply to message #59756] Fri, 27 November 2009 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It says:

We call on Christians around the world, and particularly Christian leaders, to oppose the extreme and violent “Anti-Homosexuality Bill” proposed in Uganda. We call on the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, to end his silence on the matter, to condemn the bill in public and to urge Ugandan Christians to oppose it.

In addition to life imprisonment for consensual sexual activity between people of the same sex, the bill would introduce the death penalty for anyone whose same-sex partner is disabled. It would introduce imprisonment for anyone in authority – such as a priest or minister - who knew of homosexual activity but failed to report it.

Most Christians, who hold a range of views on sexual ethics, will be horrified by these measures. By speaking out, Christian leaders can expose the hollowness of the religious rhetoric used by the bill’s supporters. Given the place of Anglicanism in Uganda, it is important that Rowan Williams adds his voice to the opposition to the bill.


I think that says that anyone can sign it. After all you are just calling on the leader of an influential organisation to do something that is in his power. It points out to that leader that his shareholders will be horrified. But one does not have to be a shareholder to tell him that.



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59758 is a reply to message #59742] Fri, 27 November 2009 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Andrew Brown in The Guardian believes the Uganda legislation “is a witch craze, pure and simple. It takes the perfectly genuine prejudices of the ignorant, inflames them, and enshrines them in law. I do not expect any bishop of the Church of England to have the courage to speak against it. Give them a hundred years, though, and they will turn up at a memorial service to weep for the victims. How did we get there? The inquisitors who roll into town and rouse the peasantry against witches may not actually want to see and smell the witches burning, but once witches are found, there is nothing else to do with them. Although respectable Christians now do not believe in witches as such, there are some for whom gay people play the role that witches once did and the gay-hunting frenzy which is central to the relationship between American right-wingers and some African evangelicals is reaching the point of organized legal killing.”

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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59759 is a reply to message #59758] Fri, 27 November 2009 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All of which means that we witches must make the leaders of this disgraceful church embarrassed as hell, which is, after all, the place where they will all burn



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59766 is a reply to message #59759] Fri, 27 November 2009 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do not be fooled folks. The extended reach of the Yank Ultra-Conservative Christian right is quite long and they also have deep financial pockets. Here is a piece from the Editors at the ADVOCATE.COM that has disturbing truths that everyone who cares about LGBT rights and equality MUST be made aware of:

Fundamentalists Tied to Uganda's Antigay Law

By Advocate.com Editors (San Francisco,California) | An antigay conservative group with high-powered U.S. political allies has used its influence to support a proposed Ugandan law that would impose the death penalty on "repeat offenders" engaging in gay sex.

David Bahati, a Ugandan lawmaker and member of the fundamentalist group The Family, sponsored the antigay legislation and has received millions of dollars in funding through the organization’s African outreach programs. The Family has also cultivated a "deep relationship" with Ugandan president Yoweri Museveni, Jeff Sharlet, author of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, said in a Tuesday interview on Fresh Air with Terry Gross on National Public Radio.

Sharlet detailed The Family's connections with Capitol Hill powers-that-be, including Nevada senator John Ensign and Kansas senator Sam Brownback. “Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma boasts of traveling around the world, doing The Family's political business, he said. "[Oklahoma] Senator Tom Coburn has done the same thing. [Iowa] Senator Chuck Grassley has been very involved in African affairs on behalf of The Family. Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming is a part of it.”

Though gay sex is already criminalized in Uganda, the proposed legislation currently before parliament would add a specific clause called “aggravated homosexuality,” which would impose the death penalty on so-called repeat offenders as well as those who have HIV and engage in sex. Even failure to report a gay person to authorities could result in a lengthy prison sentence.

[Updated on: Fri, 27 November 2009 20:05]

Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59768 is a reply to message #59766] Fri, 27 November 2009 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This says to me that we cannot afford to be silent, that no-one can stand idly by.

Why?

Because for some reason the Anglican church listens to Africa. Africa seems important to it. And if Africa is being bribed to distort the view of the Anglican church by the weirdos of US bigotry, then we, the little people, need to range our not inconsiderable joint power against it.

We must lobby against it. We must deny finds to it, we must isolate it. We mist not give to collection plates, nor must we buys its products.

We must not remain silent. It is a luxury we cannot afford.



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #59769 is a reply to message #59768] Fri, 27 November 2009 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Timmy wrote:
>Because for some reason the Anglican church listens to Africa.<

Well, Asia is pretty much a lost cause and the the other three continents are notionally Christian. Not much left to play for really.

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The Uganda Kill The Gays Bill will not go away  [message #61162 is a reply to message #59742] Sun, 28 February 2010 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have, on my blog, a comment from a black activist. It is in terms that Uganda ought to understand. So please read http://timtrent.blogspot.com/2010/02/uganda-uganda-my-heart-weeps-for-you.html

If you have not yet written to your own elected representative, please DO SO NOW. This is not for others to do, this is for each and every one of us to ask OUR lawmakers to tell Uganda's lawmakers that this is not the behaviour expected of a nation that wishes to be considered civilised.

There is no excuse for not writing except for personal death. This bill means death to many Ugandans, and imprisonment for a great many more.



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You know what?  [message #61165 is a reply to message #61162] Sun, 28 February 2010 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Uganda is just a tinpot little backward nation in the arse end of nowhere. So it's really uninteresting. That's why I am a lone voice, or feel I am. It's only black folk anyway, and we know they don't matter, don't we? After all, killing each other's a sport in Africa, isn't it? I mean it's what they DO isn't it? So what of they kill gay black people now. So what if this looks to be worse than Nazi Germany.

Anyone written to their elected representatives?

Whom have you written to?

What replies have you had?

[Updated on: Sun, 28 February 2010 22:45]




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Re: You know what?  [message #61166 is a reply to message #61165] Sun, 28 February 2010 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OI! Uganda isn't the tinpot little backward nation in the arse-end of nowhere - that us!

There's a quote about the voice of one crying in the wilderness, can't remember how it goes right now, but you must feel a bit like that. (Keep on crying though!)

I must admit that i haven't written to anybody. Maybe i should, but i dunno how much good it would do. Our leaders are quoted in the news today as saying, "Voters are stupid and venal". (Nice!)

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Re: You know what?  [message #61167 is a reply to message #61166] Sun, 28 February 2010 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think "do it anyway" is the motto here. This is a Commonwealth "nation" we're talking about, and even a little extra voice is worth hearing.



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UK Scout group speaks out against bill  [message #61168 is a reply to message #61162] Tue, 02 March 2010 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Obviously this group is quite different from their US cousins.

http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/10/Mar/0102.htm

Copy of letter:
"Since the mid-1990s, The Scout Association has been clear and unequivocal in our equal opportunities policy and practice especially regarding sexual orientation, as befitting our role in contemporary society.

We are recently aware that the Ugandan Parliament has received a Bill that calls for the death sentence for repeat practicing of homosexuality. This Bill is presented by a Ugandan MP (David Bahati) who is also currently the National Chairman of the Uganda Scout Association. In terms of our own policies and understandings, we find the Bill not only discriminatory and contrary to the sanctity of life, but also completely incompatible with our interpretation of the values of our worldwide Scouting Movement.

We have already drawn our grave concerns on this to the attention of the Secretary General of the World Organisation of the Scout Movement (WOSM), and we are subsequently aware that the issues are now subject both to WOSM's direct engagement with the Chief Scout of Uganda (Mrs Maggie Kigozi) and to ongoing global consideration by members of the World Scout Committee.

We hope that the bilateral and very positive educational and solidarity projects that have been fostered for many years between Scout Groups in the UK and Scout Groups in Uganda on such matters as health and community development will not be prejudiced or compromised by this situation; we await the formal and public response from the Scout Association of Uganda and from WOSM, whereupon we will review our position."



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Re: Uganda seeks DEATH PENALTY for homosexuality  [message #61181 is a reply to message #59769] Thu, 04 March 2010 04:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not nice, but it's got to be said - following US tele-evangelist Pat Robertson's comments about the Haiti earthquake being God's judgement on the country - what's this then?


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/3401922/50-children-feared-dead-in-landslides

cheers



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Simply "Looney-Tunes"  [message #61207 is a reply to message #59742] Sat, 06 March 2010 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would appear that in the battle of Ugandan moral turpitude, the Church has elevated to bar of accountability to staggering, and for some it would seem, rather prurient heights indeed.

According to this article, snagged from 365gay.com, "Wednesday Night is Movie Night" at local places of worship in the capital city of Kampala. Churches apparently have become the latest purveyors of "Internet Porn", or so the article details, which albeit in truth disguises itself as their campaign against Gays in Uganda; but, incredulous never-the-less for it.


http://www.365gay.com/news/ugandan-anti-gay-pastor-airs-gay-porn-in-church/


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[Updated on: Sat, 06 March 2010 22:57]




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I am keeping the pressure on  [message #61413 is a reply to message #59742] Thu, 18 March 2010 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The latest reaction is here: http://tinyurl.com/y88s3rw

And this is about the reason I am still campaigning: http://tinyurl.com/y9azbsu

If you have done nothing yet, please do something today, now.



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With thanks to E.J.® and his collegial post made ...  [message #61801 is a reply to message #59742] Sun, 04 April 2010 01:49 Go to previous message
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... in another thread this evening, I chanced upon the following link to an article entitled:

Archbishop Tutu and the Clinton Health Access Initiative Join African Coalition Against Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/04/01/21563

To précis, I give you, released in a press release Friday, and you may read the whole article, including more about the following declarion and it's signatories by going directly to the link above.

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CALL BY AFRICAN CIVIL SOCIETY: REJECT THE ANTI-HOMOSEXUALITY BILL

We, the individuals and organizations from African countries listed hereunder, recognize the universality of the human rights of all persons.

We affirm that the right of men and women to have same sex relationships is a fundamental human right.

We are further guided in the knowledge that all forms of discrimination, in particular against vulnerable groups, undermine the human dignity of all in Africa.

We are therefore profoundly disturbed by the nature, content and potential impact of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill (“the Bill”) that was recently tabled in and is currently being considered by the Parliament of Uganda.

We believe that the Bill, if enacted, will cut deeply into the fabric of Ugandan society by–

* Violating the rights of an already vulnerable and severely stigmatized group of persons by attacking their dignity, privacy and other constitutionally protected rights;
* Disrupting family and community life by compelling everyone, by the threat of criminal sanction, to report those suspected of engaging in same-sex sexual activity;
* Seeking to withdraw Uganda from the family of nations by reneging on the country’s international law obligations;
* Undermining public health interventions such as HIV prevention, treatment, care and support;
* Promoting prejudice and hate and encouraging harmful and violent action to be taken against those engaging in same sex relations.

We respectfully call on the Parliament of Uganda to reject the Bill in its entirety.

We also call on African governments and the African Union to call on the President and Government of Uganda to withdraw the Bill and to respect the human rights of all in Uganda, without exception.

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Finally someone is making some sense of this madness. Hopefully saner minds in Uganda will prevail.

Warren C. E. Austin
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[Updated on: Sun, 04 April 2010 14:02]




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