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timmy
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I find it awful that the USA exports its vile anti-gay bile to the nations it has long exploited with christian missionaries.
I believe that we should bring back the large iron cook-pot and the fire. Those missionaries make tough eating, but boil them long enough and you get a decent soup.
A qualified success politically, in a way.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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JimB
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timmy wrote:
> I find it awful that the USA exports its vile anti-gay bile to the nations it has long exploited with christian missionaries.
Perhaps it is statements like this that keep people from participating at this forum. To bulk all of us in the US together in such a manner is akin to saying that all Catholics are child abusers.
And let's not mention the very constant:
> They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
> They may not mean to, but they do.
> They fill you with the faults they had
> And add some extra, just for you.
My parents did not fuck me up.
JimB
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timmy
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Have you actually looked at what the Catholic priesthood has done globally?
And the signature? It's a poem by a UK well respected poet. And mine did.
Glad yours didn't.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I am so glad EJ provided these links to the news about the Kill Gays movement. It's disturbing enough here in the US to see Catholic bishops meeting in closed door sessions with our politicians, all to further their agenda and not the citizens of this country.
I personally see the Catholic interference as foreign intervention in our political arena. The Catholic Church is a soverign nation with it's own government that reaches out through the guise of religion and touches the minds of millions.
Their involvement in our Congressionsl debate on health care smacks of religious interference in state matters. Some in my family are Catholic and I have seen some of the propaganda passed out in church services. They had best beware, for if the Constitution does not allow the state to regulate religious practice then the other side of the coin applies as well.
Bring back the lions.
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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timmy
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If in the USA church and state are separate, how is it that the church has such enormous government influence?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, JimB, you might not think that all Catholics are child abusers but you might agree that, to those of us who think that the Roman Catholic view of life is profoundly wrong, to bring a child up as a Catholic is as close to abuse (admittedly *only* of the mind) as it gets.
In what circumstances is it acceptable to tell children things as if they were true which you cannot be sure of? As Hilaire Belloc wrote "Oh let us never never doubt what nobody is sure about." He was a Roman Catholic!
I've been asked to act the part of father christmas in the school my grandchildren attend and I am really truly seriously worried about lying to the 7 & 8 year olds about father christmas.
And when I say this to my friends they laugh at me and say "but everyone knows the father christmas stuff is a myth". That is exactly the point. To those children who believe what I say I would be lying. Those children are the ones that I most want to trust me!
Love,
Anthony
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Because, Timmy, as church and state are separate in the USA there is no need for the church to hold back.
When the church and state are combined then the limits of civilised behaviour apply to both (well they ought to) and either the state crucifies people of the wrong religion, ethnicity or race or a degree of toleration prevails.
It would be a help if people didn't emphasise their religion, ethnicity or race so that it would be harder to distinguish them.
Just as gay people ought not to hold hands in the street so that people could not distinguish them and be disgusted by them.
Unfortunately, even if they refrain from holding hands, there are other ways of telling.
Gotcher, Bennett.
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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I'm finding it hard, ironically, to tell what you have stated as fact and what is ironic. So may I point you at http://www.adayinhand.com/ please?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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"The Anglican Church is the predominant Christian denomination in Uganda, making its voice an exceptionally important one as the bill is debated. One would think that with the draconian nature of this proposed legislation, a denunciation would be easy. But so far it hasn’t been forthcoming, save for some reservations about the death penalty. Other than that, the Anglican Church’s official spokesperson in Uganda has been largely supportive of the bill, while the worldwide Anglican Communion has remained silent. This despite public calls for a statement against the bill directed toward Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, head of the Anglican Union, as well as the Archbishop of York John Sentamu, who is the number two man in the Anglican Communion. Sentamu, who was born and raised in Uganda, has already vowed to remain silent on the Ugandan proposals now before Parliament."
Seams US christians aren't the only ones exporting hatred.
Isn't Uganda a member of the Commonwealth? Why isn't more pressure being applied by other commonwealth countries?
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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You know, I really don't care about your sensibilities at all when this is going on in the world: http://tinyurl.com/ykfxypu
Have you even bothered to look at the Ugandan proposed law?
Doesn't the active support from any goddam religion make you ashamed to be a human being?
Have you even bothered to do the little you can do about it? How about signing, if you have not, http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Uganda_Christians and making your views known?
Or are you sitting comfortably in a "this is nothing to do with me" warm bubble? Did you sign the petition to the Anglican church leaders? Or are you just going to sit there and do a Pontius Pilate thing?
Being gay is about reaching out into the world and making a difference, too.
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Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Thank you, Timmy. I enjoyed that.
Love,
Anthony
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JimB
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Timmy, it seems to me that your statement, “You know, I really don't care about your sensibilities at all when this is going on in the world”, and attacking response is contrary to your reply to Brody where you say:
> I want levity and friendship here
> I want what I might term personal safety here
> I want harmony here
As Grasshopper said in his post, “I lurked and read every word Tim wrote because I knew I liked boys but I didn’t know jack else.” Do you think your reply to me invites others to express themselves?
JimB
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timmy
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Gosh, Jim, I'm human too.
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Macky
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"Do you think your reply to me invites others to express themselves?"
JimB,
I sometimes feel folks are being attacked too. Lots of times people write something ambiguous and are genuinely surprised by how their words are construed. Maybe that's what's happening.
Perhaps people get moody. Maybe they're on constant alert because of unfortunate things that have happened to them in the past. Maybe they feel the need to enforce a certain discipline. Maybe they just see themselves as defending their point. I can't really say, but, yes, at times I cringe when I sees how some posts are answered. I hear similar 'cringes' in private correspondence with folks here.
I'm not saying this to attack anyone. I think that we all want to see this forum succeed.
Timmy, can you tell us what it's like to ride this IOMFATS horse? Maybe that might help us understand the tenor of some your posts better.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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In another thread, yes. We are diverted enough in this one 
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