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Mon, 14 December 2009 07:55

JFR

On fire!

Location: Israel
Registered: October 2004
Messages: 1367

I noticed a comment in a newspaper article that had nothing whatsoever to do with gays or even psychiatric treatment in general. The comment was simple: "Hatred is learned: it can be unlearned."

It struck me that this is a wonderful riposte to all those who claim that reparative treatment (of any kind) should be attempted on gays and lesbians. Rather than trying to teach gays how to be str8 their time would be better spent on themselves, unlearning all the hate that underlies their attitude to homosexuality.

Just a thought I thought I'd share.

J F R

The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)

But hating is much more satisfying! [message #60163 is a reply to message #60161]

Mon, 14 December 2009 08:03

timmy

Has no life at all

Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13796

If it were not then why would so many people choose to do it?

Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School

Re: Reparative Therapy [message #60168 is a reply to message #60161]

Mon, 14 December 2009 10:01

acam

On fire!

Location: UK
Registered: July 2007
Messages: 1849

I think that loving is learned behaviour too, JFR. And fear of strangers, (which may be biologically inborn - I wonder) can certainly be unlearned.

And a society can only be moral if its members have mostly learned how to behave tolerably to each other. If even 2% of them think it's OK to set off car bombs or commit suicide killing other people then we have a problem.

And I can't imagine how the mind of a suicide bomber works, but I suspect that it would be impossible to do that outside hypnosis unless you believed in the supernatural. Why else would anyone in good health want to end their life? It seems that hate for other people must be pretty extreme or desire for 72 virgins very strong. And BTW how would anyone who had the least idea about love be attracted by 72 virgins in the abstract?

Love,
Anthony

Re: Reparative Therapy [message #60178 is a reply to message #60168]

Mon, 14 December 2009 18:32

Brody Levesque

Really getting into it

Location: US/Canada
Registered: September 2009
Messages: 733

Acam said: "It seems that hate for other people must be pretty extreme..."

Hmm, tying Matthew Shepard to a fence and pistol whipping him until his brain stem severed... OR, walking into a LGBT youth Centre in Tel Aviv with an automatic weapon... then there's my personal current favorite; Attempting to pass a bill that would not only criminalise being Gay but have a provision for the death sentence upon being convicted of being Gay/Hiv pos upheld & promoted by so-called "good" & moral Christians everywhere.

You wonder about folks who strap on high explosives and blow themselves up for Allah? Gee, what about the morons that also have no issue killing or beating LGBT folk just because "God Hates Fags" and the bible says so?

It ISN'T about morality so much as it is about twisted & flawed thinking perpetuated by religious zealots and extremists.

Love as learned behaviour? One might argue that "living" is actually learned behaviour as science has shown babies to be pretty much a clean slate when they're born. I mean after all, you have to potty train the wee ones, true?

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