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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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At last for the first time in my life, I can say what I mean.
That is what being out truly means for me. It and retirement have coincided.
I am no longer thinking "would a client disapprove, would an employer disapprove?" Instead I can be as honest as I choose. I can hurl the bricks I need to hurl at the bigots and others who need to have them hurled at them.
So, when I see things like this: http://timtrent.blogspot.com/2009/12/bbc-produces-turd-with-cherry-on-top.html I can write about them.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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Frightfully disgusting imagry there, Timmy. But it fits well.
Welcome to the ranks of the retired! It works well for me.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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The imagery is 100% appropriate to the BBC's behaviour
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I think the BBC is too large and amorphous to be a suitable target. Inevitably it reflects the prejudices of society at large. I think the target should be the bits of society at large that can bring about change for the better. The Stonewall Group has done more to change the law to make it humane that any other lobby group I can think of. We are all better off for it.
In a way I'm quite glad to see Chris from Guildford suggesting that homosexuals ought to be imprisoned here too or the guy who wanted all homosexuals sent to a separate island (to see if they could reproduce). Maybe it will persuade people to react against his inhumanity.
I think suppressing the other point of view is no way to persuade people it's objectionable.
But I'm cross to see that they've pulled de Frutos' sex and violence ballet even though I wouldn't have watched it.
Had you noticed that retirement and coming out are opposites? The reconciliation of opposites is a fruitful source of new approaches to the world.
Love,
Anthony
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I guess I'm lucky enough to have had, or have steered, a path through life that has allowed me both to be fully out and to express my views openly.
as regards bricks ...
this is the formal complaint that I have sent to the BBC:
The initial headline on the page
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7347&sortBy=2&edition=1&ttl=20091216155708
was "'Should homosexuals face execution?". This was subsequently altered, but headlines linked to the page on the rest of the BBC site were not altered, and gave an even more misleading impression than the headline taken in its original context.
The initial round of pre-moderation permitted comments that appeared to me to cross the boundaries of what is acceptable under House Rules - an impression that was confirmed when some of these posts were subsequently removed.
The follow-up attempt to defend the indefensible handling of this unfortunate sequence of events merely made matters worse - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/12/controversial_debate.html
I am strongly in favour of promoting public discussion of the Bill currently being proposed in Uganda: I think it's an important issue. However, the original headline was entirely unconscionable, and implied that it a question on which there can legitimately be two opposed views. Comparisons with other minorities ("Should Jews be Gassed?", "Should Blacks be lynched?") shows how absurd and offensive this is. The BBC could have chosen many more appropriate angles to take on this issue, such as "Will Uganda be harmed internationally by legislating for the execution of homosexuals?" or "Should the Church be doing more to oppose this law?".
I would ask that:
- a full apology is published, demonstrating that the BBC understands the nature and extent of the offence it has caused.
- the Editor and those responsible be suspended from post until they have received appropriate diversity training and shown that they have understood the issues involved.
- a review is carried out of the pre-moderation process, in order to ensure that the legitimate desire to represent differing points of view does not allow through posts which incite hatred or breach House Rules or UK law
Please consider this as a formal complaint under stage 1 of the complaints process as listed on http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/handle.shtml#code
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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As usual, NW, you are right and I was wrong.
I forget that nowadays things like complaints procedures are all written down and can be enforced by a persistent and polite approach.
In my day the question was phrased pompously 'Are the public ready for this?'
The BBC didn't get the name 'Auntie' for nothing!
Love,
Anthony
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Oh, it's not a question of right or wrong - probably just that as someone who worked in local government for a number of years I'm very used to formal complaints procedures that escalate.
I admit, I'd rather be the complainant than the person dealing with the complaint, or being complained about - the experience of being taken to the Local Government Ombudsman on one occasion was not very nice, though I was relieved that he promptly ruled that there was no case to answer. All in all, I think I'm glad to be "retired on grounds of disability" from all that!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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To where does one send such a complaint?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Ah, I found out.
I agree with your complaint and have used it verbatim.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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The BBc has had yet another go at trying to defend itself over this - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/12/africa_debate.html?s_sync=1#comments
My comment on it - if it passes moderation (which it may not, as my exasperation is starting to show) is #15, under the name of "calochortus"
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Yours has passed moderation. There is a bloke called Edwin Starr (no idea why!) at #29 awaiting moderation
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Their standards of moderation are very poor. "homosexual perverts" was allowed into one comment, a comment which has now been referred for re-moderation.
This is very slapdash
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I';ve had a circular response to my complain ... which refers me to one of the pages I'm complaining about!
I've now submitted a second complaint:
I complained earlier today about the "'Should homosexuals face execution?" thread http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7347&sortBy=2&edition=1&ttl=20091216155708, and the follow-up editors blog on http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/12/controversial_debate.html
I received a circular response directing me to http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/12/controversial_debate.html - one of the pages I had complained about. There was no indication of how to escalate the complaint if I was unhappy with the response.
I have replied by e-mail to the circular response. I now wish to raise an additional complaint that it is extremely clear that whoever dealt with my original complaint failed to give it proper consideration, or even to read it far enough to see that they were directing me to a page I had already read and found grossly inadequate.
such lackadasical tokenism is entirely typical of the way everything to do with the original ill-judged "Should homosexuals face execution" has been handled.
Please can you ensure that my original complaint and follow-up receive sensible and informed consideration, and that I receive information on how to escalate this complain if I remain unsatisfied.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Well, the BBC has finally considered all the complaints it has recieved. To witness a depressing exercise in smug self-satisfaction, you can visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/appeals/esc_bulletins/2010/june.pdf
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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... how I missed this dreadful circumstance the first time around.
It is absolutely marvelous that both of you have tilted at this particular windmill, and I wish you both great success in the endeavour.
Sadly, I see from your article on your Blog, Tim, that not much traction has yet been achieved, and that in NW's most recent post, he's suffered another setback.
I'm hoping that you, and he, will continue the good fight; and, that in addition, with the return to "top-of-the-page" status for this thread, that other like minded U.K. residents will take up the issue as well.
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
P.S.
Yes, Tim, retirement is definitely liberating, as you've surely found a new. Here's hoping your new found security ensures a vibrant voice for what annoys you, and whence you might have simply put up and shut up, that you now scream bloody murder.
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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