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Let’s just cut to the chase on this Anthony, you make the claim what was posted was no more than this:
“And I'm quite mildly spoken about it but the suggestion there is a supernatural needs to be contested because when people believe in supernatural things they do so much harm.”
I am not calling it supernatural btw those are your word, not mine! This is quite natural AND factual.
All I am asking now is that you address just a mere minutes from 15:40 to say 17:45 of the vid “What We still Don’t Know.”
Any of you can take a stab if you wish.
::-)
[Updated on: Thu, 17 December 2009 17:48]
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timmy
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Numbers, of course, look different in bases other than 10.
On the basis of that segment that is the sole comment I have to make.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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LOL and that's really not sayin much is it 
People will tell you where they've gone
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But till you get there yourself you never really know
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timmy
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Nor, I fear, did your chosen few seconds 
But, less flippantly, I find this type of semi-documentary to be bewilderingly heavy on untested hypothesis and unduly light on facts. It is not the type of thing that impresses me, though I am willing to be impressed.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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So fact doesn't impress you, there is nothing flippant about fact. Your intransigence in the face of facts does indeed speak volumes though.
And ya know Marc was right all the time, this is a clique.
People will tell you where they've gone
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timmy
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There were no facts. There is a great deal of posing and posturing.
If I answer your question in a way you disagree with I get told this is a clique?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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How you can say this not a fact when it is an irrefutable fact and no one dare stand up to you blatant denial of that except me is a case in point that this is indeed a clique.
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Not sure what I am being invited to take a stab at arich.
I watched the entire film and even took notes. I enjoyed it.
Basically the film says that our intelligence is likely to evolve far beyond organic brains to a computerized connected brain network called super-intelligence. The film remarks that such a super intelligence would be remarkably similar to the ancient concept of God.
I find this difficult to argue against. After all I'm not super intelligent.
Those who research the origin of life and attempt to replicate it have made much headway. Indeed,some estimates say that we may be able to produce synthetic life within a period of 35 or 40 years.
So if we suppose we can do it, why not suppose that someone somewhere in the multiverse has already done it, and we are the life that it has synthesized?
Indeed, why not suppose that?
But this does little for me. Why would I want to suppose that? What pragmatic purpose does it serve? How should I live my life differently, if I recognize that this is a possibility?
There is no real new fact here. There is wonderful conjecture, which I find entertaining. But, for me anyway, what is lacking is any incentive to believe this.
Of course, perhaps that is not the aim of the film. Perhaps it's just saying " do not rule out hypotheses until you can scientifically disprove them". The logic of that is nescapable, unless someone can explain to me why we should not hypothesize the existence of super-intelligence somewhere in the universe.
The whole thing about the cosmological constant escaped me because the math that created its necessity was not explained at all. And I find its existence suspect if the cosmological constant is less than 1, raised to the 120 power. This would make it incredibly small and put it in the realm of quantum physics. And in this range, our system of exacting math breaks down and only probabilities can be computed. If standard math were used to compute an infinitely small cosmological constant, then the idea is just rubbish in my opinion. You can google Stephen Wolfram, a new kind of science, for more on why exact maths do not work at the quantum level, or I can explain it fairly simply. It is because we can not measure anything exactly. In iterative systems, no matter how small the value being iterated, if it is not absoloutely exact, then it is perfect bullshit.
So have I put up? Can I talk more or must I shut up?
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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timmy
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I really don't know why you are behaving like this. I disagree over some TV show. So you make a sudden accusation.
You must think what you think.
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OK, arich, I will.
But it is way past my bedtime so it can't be until tomorrow - and tomorrow I have quite a lot to do so I don't promise.
Sweet dreams!
Love,
Anthony
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Mackey this is what I am on about, this is really a very simply statement of fact! It is not 1 to the 120th it is 10 to the 120 and yes very, very fine tolerances. The point being that this can not happen randomly there had to be intelligence behind it and the fact is it is irrefutable. One can deny it all one wants, but the fact remains. The cosmological constant is 10 to the 120th to be 1% off that level of tolerance we could not exist!
The scientist speaking don’t believe in a Creator and the do have PhD’s behind their names the thing is every time they think they have a way out of this conundrum they end up back where they started. It appears that what we see at present in existence could not have occurred randomly. They made what they said very plain to my mind and I am not a rocket scientist either.
Timmy I am sorry I don’t mean to be rude I really don’t but look at the facts again, how many people really participate in this forum on a regular bases maybe ten probable less than ten. It is for a few a, clique “a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially: one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.” Please don’t take this as a pejorative. It is a demonstration of the truth of this place which you seem to have a hard time seeing. Just as you point out others dogmatic tendencies while ignoring your own and the majority view of the whole here, I don’t begrudge that by any means, but if to no one else be true to thin own self. For instance the whole gay thing here, most of you have never live as gay men, let me give you something to chew on for a sec. all but maybe two or three (me included) of the regular participants have never lived in a male to male relationship and of those that actually have had relations with another male it was in adolescents or very early adult hood and most are in hetero relationships. This is a very plain tale, simple put if you had had a true disposition for the male to male life you would have gone for it despite the danger. I am a case in point. So I hope have a great respect for what you have put your spouses through, they deserve medals foe sure.
One request before I go. Think about this, this is not a place for young people as the demographics show it’s for middle age and older men who have lost there way, maybe due to their adolescent hormone storm, junkies who can never again get that fix. You all made your choice; don’t pretend to be something you are not, in the end you may be more of a danger to those you purport to want to help.
Look some truth is indeed subjective but fact is fact… You can run from it but you can’t hide. That last statement is subjective but full of truth from my perspective. The cosmological constant is Fact.
I’m off guys I really am tired of this place; you’re constantly clothing people in cloth of your cut. Before you go accusing anyone (not that I see you doing this to me in particular just generally of people that don’t tow your line) of doing danger to others, look to your selves. That is a biblical admonition BTW one of many to seldom used, and when used, twisted, as so much of a book of wisdom can be. Just remember you have to do the journey your on your own, you can’t depend on others to find your way for you, what you find is what you find not what someone tells you. Who knows you might find some cool things out, about real morality base not on hate, fear, guilt shame or blame but on what it’s supposed to be based on Love. For that truly is what the Creator is
I hope you all find peace and what you want.
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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it is a product of the people who post. It can't be anything else. So if people go it is poorer for that, if people join it is richer for that.
Currently it seems to have many of the same type of people. It needs a wider perspective. That happens.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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arich,
I invested some time in this and was looking forward to understanding what you think about it and why.
I am truly sorry for anything I may have said that made you feel that I was persecuting you. I do that lots, but I never want to. I just don't express myself well I guess.
I hope that you are not leaving, but if you are I would ask you to consider carrying on the discussion of this concept in private. My email is in my profile.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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arich, you write 'I'm off guys I really am tired of this place;'.
If you mean it I'd be grateful for your email address. How am I to respond to your challenge if you go away?
Love,
Anthony
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