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icon12.gif Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60626] Thu, 21 January 2010 15:48 Go to next message
Brody Levesque is currently offline  Brody Levesque

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JFR Shalom! The other day you posted a thread regarding the fact that the Yanks often get disparaged alot on here and that conversely maybe a jab or two would be in order aimed at our British contingent.

Sooo, while I was skimming through the blogs I like to read with my morning cuppa & I found this article and just couldn't resist posting it here. Now, here's one area that apparently the Americans trump the English in, for NOT dreaming up an impossibly ignorant policy:

You Can't Sit There, You Might Molest!
A man in the UK is suing British Airways for making him move to another seat on a flight out of London. According to company policy, adult men are not allowed to sit next to children unrelated to them. Because we're all potential child molesters.

In line with the policy, BA cabin crew patrol the aisles before take-off checking that youngsters traveling on their own or in a different row from their parents are not next to a male stranger. If they find a man next to a child or teenager they will ask him to move to a different seat. The aircraft will not take off unless the passenger obeys. Mr Fischer, a 33-year-old hedge fund manager, became aware of the policy while he was flying from Gatwick with his wife Stephanie, 30. His wife, who was six months pregnant, had booked a window seat which she thought would be more spacious. Mr Fischer was in the middle seat between her and a 12-year-old boy. Shortly after all passengers had sat down, having stowed their bags in the overhead lockers, a male steward asked Mr Fischer to change his seat. Mr Fischer refused, explaining that his wife was pregnant, at which point the steward raised his voice, causing several passengers to turn round in alarm. He warned that the aircraft could not take off unless Mr Fischer obeyed. Mr Fischer eventually moved seats but felt so humiliated by his treatment that he is taking the airline to court on the grounds of sex discrimination-He is paying all his own legal.

British Airways instituted the policy in 2001. Qantas and Air New Zealand have similar rules.
Re: Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60627 is a reply to message #60626] Thu, 21 January 2010 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Ah the world's least favourite airline.

Why not move the kid?



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Re: Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60628 is a reply to message #60627] Thu, 21 January 2010 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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"Why not move the kid?" Ahh, but that is too logical, and in the US it would also break the rules.

Homeland Security regulations have set forth that a passenger may not move seats after the flight is boarded. So this man would not only be viewed as a molester (UK) but a terrorist if he moved (US).

The nice part of that regulation is it was set up so that after the plane crashes due to terrorist activity then at least they will know which body is which with regards to the passenger manifest.

I'd say the man has a good court case, the steward made the wrong decision and should have moved the boy. If the woman was in fact pregnant the man was already sitting next to a child, his (we hope). ::-)

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Re: Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60632 is a reply to message #60628] Thu, 21 January 2010 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Add to that the amusement that the "Brace Position" is not to protect you from harm, but to make as sure as possible that your face is recognisable for identification purposes after the crash. After all, the tray table catch will have killed you by drilling through your skull.

And yes I read snopes.com that says "not so"!

Air travel isn't even fun.

[Updated on: Thu, 21 January 2010 17:44]




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Re: Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60637 is a reply to message #60632] Thu, 21 January 2010 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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I'd rather stay at home than fly. The last time I took a trip anywhere I did it by rail. In the US that means an uncomfortable ride on a rail bed that is made for frieght not passengers unless you are in the Northeast corridor.
But I always have such wonderful conversations with the staff and other passengers, I would miss that if I flew. I mean how pleasant a conversation can you have with an airline security person who wants to see what you're carrying in your undergarments?
You lucky English don't have the great distances to travel that we have here, and in fact can ride the train from London to the south of France or Italy. Takes 3 days from New York to Los Angeles, it used to be fun, now it's a royal bore.



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Re: Turnabout Is Fair, Right JFR?  [message #60643 is a reply to message #60637] Fri, 22 January 2010 05:08 Go to previous message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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Chris James wrote:

Takes 3 days from New York to Los Angeles, it used to be fun, now it's a royal bore.

Please do not take the name of the Queen of England in vain! Sad)

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