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Benji
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Location: USA
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Sorry, too little too late!
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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The problem with Roman Catholics is that they have this cult of forgiveness. All they think they have to do is to apologise and 'repent' and their sins will all be forgiven. Its a very convenient cult. It also isn;t going to happen.
GIve the abusing bastards up for prosecution.
A step in their right direction, yes, but not in the rest of the world's right direction.
[Updated on: Fri, 23 April 2010 05:59]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Yes it is, JFR.
[BTW my email won't work but the LibDem site does work for me.]
Love,
Anthony
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... but, the message is being delivered through the least appropriate vessel; just as similar messages, whether they be the recent statements heard in the parishes in Ireland, in Canada, in the United States, or wherever.
A wellspring of "mea culpa's", originating, not from The Vatican itself, but orchestrated by them (and their well-oiled publicity machinery), with each judiciously timed, and espoused by regional Canonical Authorities does not cut it. It is not Cardinal Joseph Alois Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome, making these declarations; no, I'm afeared that "plausible deniability" still prevails, and reigns supreme, throughout The Vatican City hierarchy; and unless, and until, a broad broom sweeps, and has swept, through those Canonical halls there cannot be any healing, nor can any truly repentant culture be fostered right from the top on down.
Cardinal Joseph Alois Ratzinger, and The Vatican powers that be, knows what MUST BE done; thus far IT IS NOT being done, nor being SEEN TO BE done; The Cardinal HAS TO GO, if for no other reason than his complicity in the "smoke and mirrors" campaign The Church has waged since he, in 1981, assumed the position as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In the midst of revelations then beginning to be made Worldwide, it is absolutely unconscionable that he would have been elevated to the position of Bishop of Rome in the first place. What is needed to bring about REAL contrition is for The Cardinal to step aside, and another elevated to his position as Bishop of Rome, this time being one who has NO CONNECTION with this mess, and in whose stewardship The Church may then begin to unravel the intricate machinations designed to shield The Vatican from any, and all, complicity, and responsibility.
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
[Updated on: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:49]
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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Well said, Warren. I don't think any of us are holding our breath for the Pope to say something right. The church is not affected by today like the rest of us.
Years ago I worked in a community college, a two year school. It was the early 1970's, college students were protesting the Vietnam War on campuses across America. We had our own little bunch of on campus radicals.
I attended a faculty meeting where I heard an English professor say "This would be a good place to work if it wasn't for the students." And shortly thereafter the Chancellor stood up and said the advantage of working at a two year school is that we would all still be there after these radicals were gone.
There was no focus on the issues of the day, no problem solving, just a hope that enough time would pass and the problem would move on. I imagine the Pope has much the same foolish idea...and he is wrong.
[Updated on: Fri, 23 April 2010 19:16]
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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One step closer to the truth. I do hope the German people and those who were abused feel some vindication.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37035014/ns/world_news-europe
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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And now we get down to it, a step in the right direction...a baby step. In any form of apology and correction for past misdeeds the Pope has to take responsibility. This we all seem to agree.
I remain cautious, waiting to see what the current purge means. This Pope still has a long way to go to even begin reparations:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100511/ap_on_re_eu/eu_portugal_pope
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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... and I have to wonder why it is that The Vatican simply can't just come clean and be done with it already.
The Vatican's endless dissembling and back-peddling when their public relations machine's latest round of obfuscation is made crystal clear for what it truly is has become decidedly tiresome.
From the Associated Press comes this news-wire item, reported widely yesterday, and linked here for your viewing pleasure, at 365gay.com:
Pope blames church’s own sins for sex scandal.
http://www.365gay.com/news/pope-blames-churchs-own-sins-for-sex-scandal/
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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The answer to that question Warren is that the church just doesn't feel it has to come clean.
By labeling the whole sexual issue a sin it puts the actions into the pardonable category the church has built up over the centuries. Sins the Pope understands, he is God's man on earth, he can forgive anything.
I have a major issue with anyone from the Pope on down who claims to know God's will. That implies intimate knowledge in a way I find totally unnatural. Do they hear voices in the dark? There are a whole cadre of folks in institutions that hear voices in the dark, some of them think they are gods.
But a religious figure can get away with it. They go to university, pray a lot, and immediately with a sweep of the hand become god-like. Humans are such silly creatures. Did we really evolve from apes, or is it devolve? Sorry, I now have the urge for a banana.
;-D
[Updated on: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:10]
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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