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This whole ban on gays in the military just won't get resolved because our military leaders in uniform seem to be cowards.
"Our military must be afforded the opportunity to inform us of their concerns, insights and suggestions if we are to carry out this change successfully..."
Yes and lets ask the troops if they really want to go into Iraq and kill civilians, but ask nicely...pretty please. Can you imagine a General like that actually giving orders?
"...lawmakers...have said they are uneasy about lifting the ban and don't want to act before the force is ready."
Oh pretty please, we're Generals and Admirals and we want you to like us before we allow gays to serve openly. I mean we now kick out the most valuable men and women who might just save your ass in a critical situation, but please like us.
Like all the Arab speakers we booted out at the start of the Iraq War just because someone said they were gay. So now you have to shoot civilians because they don't speak English and you can't understand when they say don't shoot, we are innocent.
Before the force is ready...what the hell does that mean? These are men and women that are supposed to be prepared to follow orders and fight at a moment's notice. It sounds like the men and women who are gay and serve proudly are the only ones who are not cowards.
My advice to the Pentagon: fight the guys shooting at you and not the gays and lesbians in your midst. Why any gay or lesbian person wants to join such a band of cowards I do not know. It must be the uniforms.
Read further insanity here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100430/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_military_gays
[Updated on: Sat, 01 May 2010 00:00]
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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Since I actually am a member of the White House Press Corps Chris, maybe you'd appreciate this update I posted online & released on the wire services at 0800EST30APR10:
Friday, April 30, 2010
Brody's Notes... Defence Secretary Warns Congress To Not Implement DADT Until Review Is Complete
By Brody Levesque (Washington DC) Apr 30 | In a letter published this afternoon in response to an inquiry sent Tuesday by House Armed Services Committee Chairman, Ike Skleton (D-MO), Defence Secretary Robert Gates warned that it would be damaging to the armed forces & their families should Congress implement repeal of DADT ahead of completion of the ongoing DOD study.
"Our military must be afforded the opportunity to inform us of their concerns, insights and suggestions if we are to carry out this change successfully," Gates wrote and then said repealing the DADT law prior "would send a very damaging message to our men and women in uniform that in essence, their views, concerns and perspectives do not matter on an issue with such a direct impact and consequence for them and their families," he said.
The letter was cosigned by Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Both men had indicated in their testimony before the U. S. Senate Armed Services Committee in February that they were in favor of repealing the 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' law. Congressional advocates for repeal-- led by Senators Joseph I. Lieberman (I-CN) & Carl Levin (D-MI) and Rep. Patrick Murphy(D-PA) -- want to end the ban before the Pentagon completes its review, while others, including Chairman Skelton, are skeptical. Skelton last fall telling reporters that he was in fact dubious of repeal and therefore was opposed to it.
White House Assistant Press Secretary Tommy Vietor told reporters this evening that;
"The President's commitment to repealing "don't ask, don't tell" is unequivocal. This is not a question of if, but how. That's why we've said that the implementation of any congressional repeal will be delayed until the DOD study of how best to implement that repeal is completed. The President is committed to getting this done both soon and right."
A source at the Human Rights Campaign, speaking on the condition of anonymity, angrily commented;
"Good for Gates....treat the military like a corporation and they will become one. What's next? Strikes if they don't want to go to war? The military is NOT a corporation...they enforce prejudicial policies all the time for good reason: too fat, can't serve; missing a limb, can't serve; blind, can't serve...yup, being openly gay and sleeping in a two person tent, nope ain't gonna happen. If the ban gets raised, expect separate living quarters and if not, then the straight guys should be allowed to shower an sleep in the same quarters as the females. It's only fair."
Joe.My.God's blogger Joe Jervis noted that his state's U. S. Senator, New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand, had issued the following statement this evening:
“I respectfully disagree with Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen. Congress should not sit on their hands. Now is the time for Congress to show strong leadership and repeal this disastrous policy. ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell' is wrong for our national security and inconsistent with the moral foundation upon which our country was founded. When we repeal this policy – and we will repeal this policy – we will strengthen America - both militarily and morally."
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I may rant about cowards in the uniform of the American military, but that's because they make such an easy target that it is no wonder the Taliban is having such a wonderful time in Afghanistan.
No only does the Pentagon (they had to make it five-sided because no one there was intelligent enough to design a square) break its own rules they flaunt it right out in public. This is quite clear in the following:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38668321/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times
The information contained in a police investigation is supposed to be private unless released by a judge. The presence of military officials smacks of cronyism and conspiracy, but then we are talking about redneck cops and even stupider military "professionals."
All this makes me wonder that if the military keeps dismissing persons from the ranks because they are gay will it only leave the knuckle dragging fools in charge? Oops, I think they already are. According to reports we have spent seven years in Afghanistan trying to defeat less than a few thousand Taliban. I've seen drag queens that fight better than that.
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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Yes, ChrisJames, stupid beyond a doubt - but also immoral. When you join a service you are agreeing to carry out orders even if they are immoral.
That agreement is something no moral person should consider accepting.
Love,
Anthony
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acam wrote:
When you join a service you are agreeing to carry out orders even if they are immoral.
I hope that what I shall write here is not tantamount to hijacking the thread, but I feel compelled to relate to Anthony's statement.
In 1956 Israeli soldiers carried out to the letter an order they had been given by their superior officer and that resulted in the deaths of 48 innocent Arab citizens. The soldiers involved were tried and in his sentencing Judge Benjamin Halevy wrote famous words: "The distinguishing mark of a manifestly illegal order is that above such an order should fly, like a black flag, a warning saying: 'Forbidden!'" (Those interested can look up 'Kafr Qassim' and 'Benjamin Halevy' in Wikipedia.)
To this day, Israeli 12th graders (i.e. 6th formers) are required to learn that sentence by heart because they will very soon be soldiers themselves. So, in the Israeli army at any rate, some orders MUST be disobeyed because they are patently illegal and immoral.
Please note that I am not addressing here the issue that all war is obscene and, but only the statement made by Anthony.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Wonderful, JFR. I can't believe that a court in the UK (or for that matter in the USA) would ever do that. Maybe in Canada it would be possible - I wonder.
Love,
Anthony
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The Nuremburg War Crimes folk agreed with it (in advance), and sentenced people who were "only obeying orders" some of whom did so enthusiastically and others of whom did so in fear of their lives at that juncture only to be hanged later.
Anthony's blanket statement is propaganda along the same lines as Carthago delenda est.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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They were on the losing side, Timmy!
I'm curious; were you ever a member of the uniformed forces?
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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Does one have to wear a uniform to have a valid opinion?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Of course not, Timmy! Who ever thought they did?
There is a sort of creeping disapproval of people who stick up for a minority of which they are not members. Why are you against racism if you're not black? Why are you against homophobia if you're only bi?
Your question made me feel as if you were being defensive and that my question may have felt to you as if I were about to attack you. But I don't attack people much, even if goaded into defensiveness.
Surely one of the signs of a personality at ease with itself is the security that doesn't react to every question as if it is the preliminary to a put-down or an attack.
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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what, then, was the point of your question?
I am not going to answer the rhetoric in the tail
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I already told you, Timmy. It was just curiosity.
Love,
Anthony
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