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... Rome's Mayor Gianni Alemanno today, and reported some 5-hours ago at netscape.aol.com, as a crowd estimated by the Vatican to be at 150,000 filled St. Peter's Square in an organized mass rally, and major show of support for Pope Benedict XVI over the clerical sex abuse scandal.
Read the whole story here:
Thousands Flock to Vatican to Back Pope Over Abuse
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/thousands-flock-to-vatican-to-back-pope-over-abuse/19478973
Alemanno, quoted by Associated Press Television News, saying "We want to show our solidarity to the Pope and transmit the message that single individuals make mistakes BUT INSTITUTIONS, FAITH AND RELIGION CANNOT BE QUESTIONED, we will not allow this."
The capitalization of the text is mine; but, damn the arrogance of the man to suppose that we, members of the World Community cannot "ever" question an Institution, Faith and Religion that has shielded and suborned accountability and, at best, remains seen to be complicit in the abuse of what could potentially have been tens-of-thousands of children (and young adults) Worldwide for a period of what it transpires may well have been more than century, and quite possibly more.
Who the hell does he think he is?
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
[Updated on: Sun, 16 May 2010 21:39]
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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timmy
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He's just a wanker. Not special at all.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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He's an Italian, I know people just like him, they think they are institutions when they actually belong in one.
Age appears to be best in four things; old wood best to burn, old wine to drink, old friends to trust, and old authors to read. (Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626)
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And do not forget all the little boys who were castrated so their voices would not change so they could sing in Vatican and cathedral choirs.
AND THE POPES KNEW ALL ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!! Just like the Pope who let all the Jews be killed by the Nazis.
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ray2x
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Least we forget, torture in the name of God was a good tool used for centuries. Plus, spreading diseases to the indigenous cultures of the Western Hemisphere made conquest easier for many European marauders...forcible conversion to Christianity...selling places in heaven to the wealthy folks...abuses of children, women, handicapped...
Raymundo
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Back in the 60's Rolf Hochhuth wrote a play about the Pope's silence in the light of Nazi atrocities, which were reported to him daily. The name of the play was "The Representative" and it created a great stir at the time. The Papal nuncio (ambassador) in Berlin begged the pope to cancel the concordat with Germany. The particular representative (i.e. God's vicar on Earth) of the play is Pope Pius XII, whom the Roman Catholic church wants to elevate to sainthood.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Raymundo wrote:
> Plus, spreading diseases to the indigenous cultures of the Western Hemisphere made conquest easier for many European marauders
I do not think the Europeans deliberately imported various diseases into the Americas and other places just to make it easier to conquer them. Nobody understood about diseases and how those were trasmitted until as late as the middle 1800's. And one positive thing about colonial settlements was the introduction of hospitals and schools. Very poor and basic hospitals but better than witch doctors.
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Because of Mitchell I have become very interested in this topic. I read 'Hitler's Pope' and also a book about Italian Jews called 'Under His Very Windows.' The Vatican tried to whitewash all thiat happened and say that the Pope tried to save Jews, but the evidence is that he only tried to save Jews WHO HAD CONVERTED TO CATHOLICS or who had married Catholics. It is all so bogus. Like the church. Totally bogus.
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... to witness history, especially that of the 20th Century, and in particular that of my own generation being constantly re-written to suit the tastes (and mores) of present society.
Pope Pius XII and his likely anti-semitism is one of those "grey" areas, and has been a bone of contention for as long as I remember, my having been born during his papacy, and frankly old enough to have fully understood the implications of what was being widely talked about after his death in 1959 regarding his complicity, and that of The Vatican, in withholding proven documentation about Adolf Hitler and the atrocities his regime committed before and during World War Two.
In Canadian schools during the 1960's, and I'm supposing the 1970's too, students were routinely taught that The Vatican as early as 1935 had received conclusive documentary and photographic evidence of the ethnic nightmare then underway in Germany and their annexed states. The on-going receipt of this information was instigated by Pius XII's predecessor, and the practice of Catholic officials and functionaries, largely resident throughout German-occupied territories reporting of the prurient details was encouraged, and continued, by Pius XII when he was elevated to Bishop of Rome, and Pope, in 1939. Papal Emissaries were in receipt of this information through their Embassy in Switzerland, and you can be certain it found it's way to Rome expeditiously; too, Cardinals and Bishops routinely acted as couriers when visiting The Vatican.
To what extent Pius XII's personal attitude regarding Hitler and his regime influenced decisions regarding The Vatican's dissemination of this essential information at a time when it likely would have saved untold numbers of lives throughout German-occupied territories is a mute point; we'll not likely ever know; but, what is certain is that through his "Office" and position as Head-of-State, Pius XII failed miserably through his dereliction of duty, and obligation not just as Pope, but as a Christian, to inform the World-at-large of the genocide then taking place in the name of Christianity throughout most of the First World. That alone in my opinion would disqualify him for elevation to Sainthood, Canonization or any Beautification.
Sadly, and rather unfortunately, little of this (and much of anything else for that matter) is any longer being taught in Canadian schools; as are few details of our History prior to 1967, and the advent of our policy of Multiculturalism. "Political Correctness" has swept, beginning in the early 1980's, a very broad broom through the pages of Canadian History, with it no-longer being seen as politic to regale our students with tales of yore and our founding fathers; and where it is reported is been watered down and sanitized to the point they might as well not teach it at all. Historical revisionists seem to have forgotten that while it's laudable to attempt to report a feel-good perspective about prior events, especially with regard to changing societal balances within a given environment, it is seldom their history that is being rewritten, and that their own particular history is being recorded in the here and now and will be the stuff of history books some 25-, 50- and 100-years from now. It is better to report the entire story, good, bad or indifferent, regardless of its' Political Correctness, and maintain cohesiveness in that reporting throughout time, which in of itself will reflect the shift in societal mores and temperament as our history progresses through the future. I suspect this situation is likely no different elsewhere either.
This rewriting of History to suit present-day special interests groups disturbs me more than I can say, and if taken to the extreme, is going to likely foster an environment whereby new Hitler's and their ilk are going to find a welcoming foot-hood in a society decidedly under-educated about their potential to do real, and lasting harm.
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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.. perhaps a tad naive.
It is a known, and well documented, that European Settler's were well-aware that The Din'eh, and their vulnerable metabolisms, throughout most of North and South American, could not tolerate First World generated "grain-alcohol" spirits, with these doing untold amounts of harm physically and psychologically to them; yet we encouraged The Din'eh to partake of these spirits, through our trading them for food-stuffs, pelts and what-not for the better part of 400-years. This is not to say that The Din'eh didn't have their own alcoholic libations, they did, but somehow or the other their own brand of generated beverages did not have the same disastrous effect upon them as our own imported varieties.
It would have also become apparent to these early settlers that The Din'eh and their inmmune systems could not sustain contact with many of the ailments that these early immigrants brought with them; yet again, widespread "social" contact was encouraged; that is to say it was when we weren't trying to wipe them out through outright warfare.
Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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ray2x
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None the less, the diseases decimated many cultures which made it easier for the Spaniards, French, and others to march in almost untouched. It certainly was not a conceived plan, yet it was a fruitful opportunity to be had. It is similiar, in my opinion, to the AIDS disease at its earliest stages, and the conservative fundamentalist creatures using it to wrought fear and loathing against gays: not conceived by them but used in that manner. In a sports analogy, an own goal as used by the defending football team: nice gift.
Raymundo
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