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icon14.gif This About Sums It Up Beautifully!  [message #63638] Tue, 07 September 2010 22:40 Go to next message
Brody Levesque is currently offline  Brody Levesque

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A short story about the Pope's planned visit to the UK in 2010
Re: This About Sums It Up Beautifully!  [message #63641 is a reply to message #63638] Wed, 08 September 2010 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Benji is currently offline  Benji

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Most excellent!!!
Alternatively ...  [message #63643 is a reply to message #63638] Wed, 08 September 2010 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NW is currently offline  NW

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For anyone who believes that a reasoned approach works better than polemic, and who is in the UK, can I suggest that writing to one's MP with a clear explanation of why taxpayers money should not be wasted on protecting this murderous ex-Nazi might be useful?

And for those fancying a little gentle stroll, why not accompany me on Saturday week - 18th September? Details of this and other delightful suggestions on http://www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/ , if you're not already aware of it.



"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: Alternatively ...  [message #63644 is a reply to message #63643] Wed, 08 September 2010 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I have done the former. I cannot do the latter.

But see http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/09/papal-visit-pope-protests



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On the whole, I'm with FRP  [message #63646 is a reply to message #63643] Wed, 08 September 2010 11:47 Go to previous message
cossie is currently offline  cossie

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There have been some successes in the history of peaceful protest in the UK – not world-changing, perhaps, but certainly nudging public opinion in the desired direction. There is, of course, an ever present risk that violence will break out; if it does, the whole protest can so easily become counter-productive. The New Statesman article is, I think, a little suspect in that it creates the impression that disruption is in some way constructively bad. Like protest, disruption comes in two forms, active and passive. A protest causes passive disruption simply by taking place in the area where the subject of protest is expected to be, and thus generates a large amount of useful publicity, so long as violence does not break out. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in that.

As I’ve already said elsewhere, I suspect that refusing to allow the visit would cause more damage than it would resolve. It isn’t really an ‘invitation’ in the normal sense; failure to provide an invitation would of itself give rise to diplomatic problems. The Pope is the head of state of a miniscule territory, but his powerbase rests on his leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. Something like 7% of British residents claim to be Roman Catholic, though by no means all are active churchgoers. To deprive British Roman Catholics of an opportunity to see their spiritual leader every few years would be seen as an unwarranted attack on a minority group, and we know how effective the RC publicity machine can be. Allowing the visit and protesting while he’s here is potentially a more effective way of drawing attention to the inhumanity of the RC leadership.



For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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