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icon14.gif UK news regarding papal visit  [message #63820] Tue, 14 September 2010 21:18 Go to next message
timmy

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The news media is full, when it comes to the impending visit by Ratzinger, of all of the abuse perpetrated by clergy operating in that sect.

It appears that ticket sales are running somewhat short of expectations. The supposition is that the Roman Catholic Abuse Scandal globally and in the United Kingdom has led to a substantial low opinion of the church.

Every Pope article is counterbalanced by meeting another man or woman who was abused by these bastards, bastards protected for so long by that church and by Ratzinger's department whose job it was to determine their future.

It is likely that the visit will be remembered more for protest than for any potential positive element of the visit.

If I had a god, my god would strike these cant spouting, self serving, child abusing, lying bastards with a thunderbolt.



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Re: UK news regarding papal visit  [message #63829 is a reply to message #63820] Wed, 15 September 2010 07:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paedophile priests still play active church role

Channel 4 News report finds many of the Catholic clergy jailed in England and Wales remain in the priesthood

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/15/paedophile-priests-active-church-role



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Not until ...  [message #63831 is a reply to message #63829] Wed, 15 September 2010 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... Joseph Alois Ratzinger admits his complicity in The Vatican's then continuance, and furtherance, of the cover-up of abuses by clergy from his position as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, will this mess ever achieve closure.

For anyone.

That he was elevated to the position of Bishop of Rome is a travesty on a scale not previously understood, or likely ever to be conceived. It is an absolute disgrace, and should rightly shame all Catholics into decrying his authority.

Warren C. E. Austin
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[Updated on: Wed, 15 September 2010 09:30]




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Posted on-line 8-minutes ago ...  [message #63864 is a reply to message #63820] Thu, 16 September 2010 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... at netscape.aol.com:

In UK Visit, Pope Admits Failures Over Sex Abuse

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/pope-benedict-xvi-admits-failures-over-sex-abuse/19636214

On his way to Britain for a historic first-ever state visit, Joseph Alois Ratzinger apparently delivers his HARSHEST COMMENTS YET (emphasis mine) about the Catholic Church's response to sex abuse, admitting that the hierarchy failed to act decisively against priests who rape or molest children, acknowledging that

"the authority of the church was not sufficiently vigilant and not sufficiently swift and decisive" against abusers. "I must say that these revelations were a shock for me, a great sadness,"

Yeah, right, sure he does. Can you believe this crap?

As Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith IT WAS HIS JOB, as the second most powerful individual in The Vatican to know about these things. He could not have not known, or if he had truly not known, he could have not remained without that knowledge about prior decades-long worth of abuse cases when, in 1981, he assumed that position; an "office" he would hold until he was elevated to Bishop Of Rome in 2005.

This is simply ludicrous. How in bloody hell, could he have not known?

It was his "office" that continued the cover-up of all reported cases of abuse prior to his being appointed Prefect, and it was his "office" that then continued and furthered that cover-up for the next twenty-years during which time an avalanche worth of "new" cases were being brought to light Worldwide.

Frankly it doesn't surprise me that this whole bloody issue has blown up right in his face, and if it were not for the victims, and the nature of their victimization, I would say that it looks good on the little shit.

Right down to the end, this man is not going to take responsibility, neither for his own actions, nor that of the Church itself, whose policies on this matter as it evolved could not have been directed and made without his consultation and advise.

What a prick!

Warren C. E. Austin
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[Updated on: Thu, 16 September 2010 18:06]




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Re: Posted on-line 8-minutes ago ...  [message #63866 is a reply to message #63864] Thu, 16 September 2010 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I met, today, while my car was being serviced, a Roman Catholic lady whose husband had ben brought up by nuns in an orphanage.

She says that what he has to say about these evil women and the way they treated the children in their care is unbelievable.

We were watching The Ratzinger Show on the customer TV at the time.

She thinks a thunderbolt should strike them all down, Ratzinger included.



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... if I encountered Joseph Alois Ratzinger at a street corner, and he was having difficulty crossing to the other side, knowing what we do now about him and his complicity in this travesty, frankly I'd be rather more inclined to simply shove the little shit under the first available Bus or Truck, should one then be conveniently passing by than assist him.

"Vicar of Christ", be damned. Bloody hell, if he's the best The Lord has got, WE ARE in trouble.

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[Updated on: Thu, 16 September 2010 17:59]




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icon13.gif Re: I'm not a violent man; but, I have tell you ...  [message #63882 is a reply to message #63867] Fri, 17 September 2010 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In England speaking 'queen' to queen, his Holiness warned Elisabeth II of the dangers of atheism, saying in a speech:

"Even in our own lifetimes we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live."

So now the former Hitlerjunge who became pedophile protector-in-chief is comparing atheists to Nazis?
Re: I'm not a violent man; but, I have tell you ...  [message #63884 is a reply to message #63882] Fri, 17 September 2010 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do not recall that Hitler wished to eradicate god.



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I have a question. A lot has been made here in the U.S. media about the Pope appologizing for the child abuse at the hands of his minions, and that he has met with those who received the abuse.

My question: Do those who so opposed the Pope's visit accept the appology as something positive, or has the hurt gone too deep for that to happen?



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Reasonably balance coverage of today's event ...  [message #63918 is a reply to message #63917] Sat, 18 September 2010 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... posted on-line at netscape.aol.com a little more than an hour ago.

Pope Meets Abuse Victims As Thousands Protest London Visit:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/pope-meets-with-abuse-victims-as-thousands-denounce-his-visit/19639278?icid=main|netscape|dl1|sec1_lnk1|171396

To say the reception to his words both at the Westminister Cathedral and at the Vatican Embassy when meeting with several victims of child abuse was cool would be an understatement. I think "chilly" would better describe it.

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Re: UK news regarding papal visit  [message #63922 is a reply to message #63917] Sun, 19 September 2010 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He has not made mention of his own, his personal role in running the department that covered up the problem. He has not taken personal responsibility for his own actions. He is part of the problem.

All he has done is expressed vague remorse.

He has not handed over evidence and perpetrators for prosecution. It remains concealed.

He has, instead, sought to divert attention away by speaking a load of bollocks about Hitler trying to stamp religion out (Not my own view of history. Hitler wanted to stamp out Jews) and equated this with the secular nation which we are. He is a lying, two faced bastard.

Does that answer your question?



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You expected anything otherwise?  [message #63927 is a reply to message #63922] Sun, 19 September 2010 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know I certainly did not.

I discussed this very point with Brody yesterday morning, and he pointed out that yes, Ratzinger, once appointed Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith would most certainly have had to have knowledge of all prior incidents of abuse then documented and archived by The Vatican; and definitely he would have been instrumental in the continuance, and furtherance, of the policies then in place with respect to all, and any, previous, and future, cover-up; but, he would not have been alone, despite his holding the second most powerful "Office" in The Vatican; the College Of Cardinals would too have had to have been involved, and likely two or three more branches in order that silence would be ensured. Brody, too, posits an interesting theory, and in his usual inimitable fashion would likely ruffle a feather or two should he state it; alas that story is not mine to tell, and I await with bated breath his eventually sharing it with us all.

Still an all, I DO MAINTAIN that until Ratzinger "comes clean" no closure is ever going to be achieved, and no justice seen to be done for the victims of the abuse, nor the the Church itself. What I fear most is Ratzinger's death before any such admission is, or can be, made; which may be, in reality, the game-plan with all involved however peripherally within The Vatican hoping they can hang on until, and if and when, he does.

Warren C. E. Austin
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Re: You expected anything otherwise?  [message #63929 is a reply to message #63927] Sun, 19 September 2010 14:32 Go to previous message
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I await his death knowing that Saint Rat is inevitable afterwards.

The miracles will, of course, be the clergy, priests and nuns alike, who were spared prosecution.



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