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icon5.gif Does anyone see the shame in this...?  [message #63942] Mon, 20 September 2010 22:25 Go to next message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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I doubt I will ever accept another complaint from anyone in the UK about the relationship the US has with the Arabs. It seems ours were not the first set of lips kissing their camel riding asses.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100920/od_yblog_upshot/british-forces-attacked-post-holocaust-jewish-refugee-ships

I cannot imagine the great minds at the top of the English government after WWII sanctioning this, does anyone know who was involved?



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As a matter of course ...  [message #63953 is a reply to message #63942] Tue, 21 September 2010 15:34 Go to previous message
The Gay Deceiver is currently offline  The Gay Deceiver

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... I'm certain of it; and so we should; but, then again when we do admit to, and feel that shame, we should, each and everyone one of us, remember that all have a nasty little secret hidden away in that closet of ours, which likely would not hold up to closer scrutiny any better than this circumstance does. It is after all is said and done a part of the human condition to fail in our duty to one another; and fail miserably we do, as evidenced by the policies then in place and revealed in this article.

When has it ever truly been different? It's always been about the money, and the politics of money, and sadly not likely in our lifetimes to ever change.

I have no clear understanding of just why these "facts" should apparently be surfacing now; "What purpose is being served by re-airing this old grievance?"; "Whose agenda is being served?". These incidents were well documented, and certainly known, at the time Leon M. Uris wrote his 1958 fictionalized historical novel Exodus, and whilst only touched upon briefly in the Otto Preminger's 1960 film by that name made from the novel, are substantively covered in Uris' prose. MI6's actions in this regard are anathema to what any rational, breathing and thinking being could reasonably entertain. That is a given. Hopefully such circumstance has not ever, again, been repeated; to which I would ask "Has it?" and I would most definitely respond "Likely." That still doesn't make it right. We all know it. "Will we be better for having learned this?" Frankly, once again I say, "Not likely".

The jury is out on whether the actions of both the Irgun and Hagana during the 1940's were justified, or not, and frankly does it really matter at all any more. After centuries of persecution the Judea's nascent need for a place to call their own became a reality; a reality forged out of land few then cared about, or wanted, excepting for the oil which lay beneath it's soil Their (combined) terrorist activities, culminating in the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel largely were responsible for The Balfour Declaration of 1947, and through their actions The State of Israel came into being, and with it an understanding that the only way to ultimately deal with terrorism is to out terrorize the terrorist; a policy Israel maintains to this day, and a maxim we all could very well do to learn by their example.

And PLEASE FOLKS, to all those here who may wish to comment, let's not make this thread about religion, or the politics of religion. That's not the thrust of Chris' originating thread, nor was it likely intended to be either. Chris makes a valid point. America is persecuted daily in the World media for its' policies; policies he points out are not solely the province of Americans, and their politics alone; other nations have equally unsavory actions they themselves have much to be accountable for too. All that can best be hoped for is that the World Community learn for its' collective errs in wisdom, and move forward, seeing that they not be repeated.

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A historical note: The Statutes of Westminister, 1947, dubbed the Balfour Declaration of 1947 (there being at least two others that I'm seem to recall), provided for amongst others, the partition of then Palestine and the creation of the State of Israel, which would later be ratified by the United Nations. This same statute granted Citizenship to Canadians, and our government's first time capability to issue passports styled as The Dominion of Canada, and provided for at one and the same time the creation of the Province of Newfoundland and the Territory of Labrador; it would be another 35-years before Westminister would again amend their statutes respecting Canada and the formal transfer of The British North America Act, now styled The Canada Act, to Canadian Parliamentary jurisprudence; in addition, and perhaps of even more historical significance, The Balfour Declaration of 1947 amended the Union of South Africa Act, setting the stage for the Afrikaner-controlled National Party's dominance of the then Union Parliament, and their eventual declaration of a Republic in 1961, and The Queens' expulsion of South Africa from The Commonwealth in that year It would only be with the election of Mandela (and his ANC Party) in 1994 that some degree of harmony would be again be restored to that beleaguered region.

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Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada

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