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What is it ...  [message #63969] Wed, 22 September 2010 16:53 Go to next message
The Gay Deceiver is currently offline  The Gay Deceiver

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... about the "Politics Of Exclusion" that attracts fringe groups from all over the spectrum, uniting them in one purpose, and one purpose only, that being namely to deny to others that which they themselves enjoy and so readily benefit from?

I have often written here of EQUAL MEANING EQUAL. PERIOD.

Too, I've stated that there can never be some who are more equal than others. Not before the Law, not before each other and certainly not before God. So much so, that it has almost become a mantra of mine. Yet, I continue to, and fervently so, believe this to be true; this not-with-standing, and in spite of, all evidence I witness daily to the contrary.

Why is this?

Will it be, and has it already become, two Millennium now since the passage of Christ, necessary for those who have so long been denied societal dignity to rise up and smite those that would deny to them that right?

I, today, hold no religion; having long ago lost faith in the Church I was born into. That said and done, I find it difficult to have faith in any other either; regardless of its' deity or its' doctrine.

Brody speaks, in another thread here, of his being proud of his being a Canadian in the face of the U.S. Senate's decision yesterday to block passage of the annual Defense Appropriations Act, and amongst other inclusions to that Bill, the repeal of the onerous Don't Ask, Don't Tell polices of the U.S. Military combine. I now speak of my being ashamed of my being an American.

Fourteen generations of my family (my brother and I are of the fifteenth, his children the sixteenth) have been from Caucasian, Protestant (of the John Knox Presbyterian variety), english-only speaking upper New York State American stock, bred for business purposes, to Caucasian Roman Catholic, french-only speaking Québecois. The tides of the family fortune rose and fell every other successive generation due to alcoholism; never through racism or servitude; so much so, that when the time arrived in the middle of the last century, to divest the family of its' holdings because of my own father's alcoholism, my grandfather turned to one of his then employees, groomed for just such purpose, to take the enterprise through its' next incarnation and evolution.

My fore-bearers believed in equality of all, a concept never before so sorely tested as it was when I returned home to Montréal that fateful September of 1967 with my chosen life-partner Jon. Everything about Jon and I flew in the face of my family's entrenched Puritanism and Catholicism; yet, closing ranks, the family embraced us, allowing both he and I to find our legs, nurturing us and enabling our growth individually and collectively. Our family's strength lay, not in its' disparity or divisiveness, but, rather because of it; the sum of the whole being greater than any one individual. My Grandfather well knew and understood this, as had those who had passed before him, and as surely as he instilled in those that would follow.

Why cannot this ever be for all; each and every one of us in The World Community? Why must we belittle and denigrate those amongst us whose step is not quite of the norm? Why is it that women are often as not treated as second class citizens in that community? Why are our children still considered to be so much chattel, to be used, abused and discarded when deemed no longer worthy of a place at that table? Why is it that one faith can be deemed to be more righteous than all others? Why is this?

Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada

[Updated on: Wed, 22 September 2010 16:57]




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Re: What is it ...  [message #63970 is a reply to message #63969] Wed, 22 September 2010 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I think it is a power trip. Look at this old fool: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/09/21/mccain-seekout-dadt/



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Re: What is it ...  [message #63971 is a reply to message #63970] Wed, 22 September 2010 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kiwi is currently offline  kiwi

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It is a power trip. I think it's the Seesaw effect - little inadequate people try to get themselves up by putting someone else down, anyone will do, and the more people that they can consider to be inferior the more important they can feel themselves to be.

Not right, but it's just human nature. Dumb-Arses!! (see? I can do it too).

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Re: What is it ...  [message #63974 is a reply to message #63971] Wed, 22 September 2010 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Whatever one can accuse McCain of, being a little person is not one of them. SO what is his beef?



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Re: What is it ...  [message #63975 is a reply to message #63969] Thu, 23 September 2010 12:18 Go to previous message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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I have pondered Warren's comments here for several hours and wondered how I might respond. I could say that I have lost my faith in the ability of human beings to do anything beyond the realm of the selfish and egotistical actions we have all witnessed, but that is not true.

Christianity is not to blame. Religion is only the excuse for the actions of the few to oppress the many. The removal of DADT was halted because of the moral views of those in Congress who see homosexuality as bad and immoral. These of course being the same politicians that accept money from special interest groups to buy their votes, but that is not immoral.

Morality is a weight placed upon the backs of those who see religion as the guiding force in their lives. Morality is a power play between good and evil, and yet there seem to be few rules guiding that principal.

If, as some Christians would have us believe, all humans are corrupt and sinful, that makes us all immoral beings. And this is where it gets complicated, only Jesus has the answer and the power to forgive. In saying this Christians condemn homosexuals with the old testament and seek forgiveness with the new testament. Sorry, not the same rule book.

It's easy to condemn as immoral something you do not understand, and really lets face it, if you aren't gay then you don't understand it. I mean don't we all hate those people who peel their boiled egg from the small end when everyone knows that it must be done from the large end.

What is it about gay people that so inflames the passions of straight Christians? It's the sex, right? Why do adulterous, porno loving Christians even bother with gay people and their sex? Because they can't have it!

I mean everyone knows a guy gives better oral sex than a woman, we understand how the equipment works so much better than they do. As for anal sex...if women had a prostate they would understand.

I suppose I would bring down the wrath of Islam if I said...you know who was gay...but he wasn't, he was married to a shrew. That would make any man crawl off to a cave and have nightmares enough to start a religion. But Jesus, he wandered around with a dozen guys. In any language I'd call that a stable, and some of them were quite young.

The Bible and it's teachings have been meddled with and rewritten so many times it's a wonder that it comes off anything more than a soap opera script...well does it? Not a good basis for condemning or moralizing against an entire segment of the population.

To solve the strictures of DADT I would ask the Pope and other high religious leaders in Christianity to call out a Crusade against Islam. And since it is a holy war I suggest only Christians in good standing be sent into the fight, homosexuals need not apply. So when all is said and done only the gay troops will remain, unless they get smart and resign like I think they all should do right now.

Sorry, I ramble...I've been taking lessons from John McCain Wink



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