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icon13.gif Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65480] Sat, 19 March 2011 20:44 Go to next message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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Perhaps just saying no wasn't enough for this young man, but now he will have about twenty-five years to life to think about it. I may encourage people to read, but I can't make them think.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national%20/2011/03/19/2011-03-19_pennsylvania_senior_murray_seidman_stoned_to_death_by_john_joe_thomas_28_for_gay.html



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icon5.gif Re: Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65481 is a reply to message #65480] Sat, 19 March 2011 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I wonder of there are any rocks in jail? He may need them



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Re: Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65482 is a reply to message #65481] Sat, 19 March 2011 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chrisjames147 is currently offline  chrisjames147

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Ya think? They certainly ought to take his socks away. I rather think the details speak loudly, the elderly man names the boy in his will? There is something there we are not being told. A shame, the boy will not get the benefit of the will now, the rest would be speculation.



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Re: Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65484 is a reply to message #65482] Sat, 19 March 2011 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
attatood.too is currently offline  attatood.too

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I agree Chris. It is unfortunate that the article says that the relationship between the two is unknown. Somebody certainly would know. It is difficult to fully understand a story without all of the details, however for the young man to be named in the will I would assume that they are more than passing acquaintances.

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icon13.gif Re: Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65485 is a reply to message #65480] Sun, 20 March 2011 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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By Brody Levesque WASHINGTON DC-- Another senseless death has occurred in an act of violence allegedly spurred by the perpetrator's religious beliefs. In suburban Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, an elderly man paid for his kindness, and most likely loneliness with his life.

Police officials have told the media that the 70-year-old Lansdowne, Pennsylvania man, Murray Joseph Seidman, had befriended John Joe Thomas, 28, of Upper Darby, PA, who was charged with murder in Seidman's death.
What made this particular death wrenching was that the victim was mentally disabled, struggling for years to have a quiet normal life. Seidman defied the experts and carved out an independent life that many people who knew him thought wasn't possible.

In an interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer, Lenny Seidman, 69, co-director of the Spoken Hand Percussion Orchestra in Philadelphia, had watched from afar while his brother built a life despite his handicaps.
"He insisted on an independent life," Seidman said.
Murray Seidman left home at age 8 to live in Elwyn, a home for developmentally disabled children and adults, where he played clarinet in the marching band, his brother said.

After 20 years, he moved to a halfway house and eventually out on his own. He rose at 4:30 every morning to go to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital, where he worked in the laundry. He retired in 2009.
"He was a fixture at the hospital; everyone knew him," Lenny Seidman said. Staff nicknamed his brother "Rainman" for his memory, he said.

According to Lansdowne Police Chief Daniel Kortan, Thomas said Seidman had made homosexual advances toward him. He told police he decided to kill Seidman after reading in the Old Testament that homosexuals should be stoned to death in certain situations.
"I stoned Murray with a rock in a sock," Thomas told police, according to court documents.

Seidman's body was found Jan. 12. He had been dead five to 10 days.
Kortan told the media the break in the murder investigation came when Thomas allegedly told an unnamed witness he had beaten an older man to death.

The relationship between the two men was such that Seidman had named Thomas his heir and had placed his name on his personal bank accounts with a debit card to make withdrawals.

Now while quite a few persons will latch on to the "biblical" aspects of the stoning and "the bible made me do it defence," I am more inclined to see this as a case of greed run amok with the killer embracing the ages old defence of embracing the bible as justification and then attempting to mitigate the legal damages by "finding" Jesus.

Of course, if the Christian Nazis and their allies weren't so intent on using their fucked up peculiar brand of religion to persecute the LGBTQ members of society, then it wouldn't leave that line of defence open no would it?

What's worse is that besides tragic stories like this, now one oh those foolish shitheads who is unfortunately also an elected official, a member of Congress from Virginia, managed to get a bill passed in the U. S. House' Judiciary Committee that would make "In God We Trust" a mandatory phrase to be carved into every public building in the U. S. including schools.

Yup, Congressman Randy Forbes (R-VA) has introduced a bill to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the national motto of the United States, and encourage its public display in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions. Forget about the nation's crumbling infrastructure, severe dependence on foreign oil, the rising sea levels threatening portions of his district, the struggling economy. Nope, none of these issues apparently matter to Forbes who is prostituting himself to please the coven of religious extremists.

This is just getting out of hand, as more and more real Americans find their way out of the morass of bullshit fundamentalist religion, a small cadre of lunatics keep trying to legislatively drag us back to the dark ages.

And what's worse is along the way they influence persons to commit unspeakable acts or at the very least, use their fucked up belief in the their fairy tale to justify said violence.

Is it obvious that I've had enough yet?
Re: Yes, the Bible can be a dangerous book...  [message #65525 is a reply to message #65480] Fri, 01 April 2011 18:59 Go to previous message
timmy

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It seems there were underlying mental health issues. http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/stoned-to-death-70-year-olds-killer-anti-gay-schizophrenic-mormon-priest/news/2011/04/01/18445

One of those was a religious cult.



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