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Love and Hate. Such an extremely fine line separates them.  [message #5443] Sat, 26 October 2002 17:36 Go to next message
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Both (almost always) spawn our every action, and are likely to be responsible for whatever we, either individually or collectively, achieve in our growth as human beings.

Why are both so similar, yet so disparate, in their defining elements? More importantly, why must we allow both free reign of our emotion, especially knowing that in the "blink of an eye", one may turn from one, into the other?

Why is it then, that whilst it seems impossible for humankind to rid itself of "hate", that given our capacity to "love", it is appears to be simlarly impossible to embrace world fellowship and have us love all with equinamity?

Just one of many "puzzles" to be found un resolved in the rooms of my house.
Love/Hate  [message #5445 is a reply to message #5443] Sat, 26 October 2002 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Love is such a euphoric emotion and like a smile takes so little effort.
Hate is such a destructive emotion and like a frown takes twice as much effort.
Emotions are our curse and our salvation. To be of any use; to help anyone; we have to be stronger than hatred.
But, in the long run........love is powerful/hate is powerful. The most destructive is inbetween. The words "I don't care" and lack of feeling make you die long before your death.
LOve me/Hate me but please don't not care !

::I have a headache now from that deep thought::
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Love and Hate has no fine line, they are one in the same....  [message #5449 is a reply to message #5443] Sun, 27 October 2002 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is the degree by which we measure the intensity of the emotion that we term as "love" and "hate", but it is purely a matter of perspective.

Take for a simple example Brussel Sprouts....

In a room full of adults several will "love" the treat, while several others will "hate" them, yet still more will liks or dislike them to a more or lesser degree.

Now if you had given the vegies to the same group say, when they were 6 years old it would be a fair bet that very nearly all the children would "hate" them to the point of causing themselves to become ill.

It is interesting that as one matures his/her likes and dislikes mature along with them.

I know the example of brussel sprouts is a simplified example, but in it's simplicity, the theory can be applied to just about any situation where there is an observable degree of contention between two or more individuals.

Just my opinion,,,,
Marc



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
icon7.gif While hate does exsist .........  [message #5451 is a reply to message #5443] Sun, 27 October 2002 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is sad that so much hate exsist in my country (the USA), I for one do not allow hate to be a motivator in what I do day to day.

Many people do, and that is something that makes me sad for my fellow man. It does NOT have to be that way.

Love thy neighbor .....

Not a bad idea, huh?

Kevin



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Re: Love and Hate has no fine line, they are one in the same....  [message #5454 is a reply to message #5449] Sun, 27 October 2002 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suppose it is a good thing that there is love and hate or at least like and dislike, since if we didn't mind, either like or dislike brussel sprouts or anything else what a nice safe, grey world it would be.

Mike



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Someone demanded that I do this...  [message #5480 is a reply to message #5443] Mon, 28 October 2002 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I haven't read the other responses, so I could be parroting someone else here without even knowing it. FWIW:


Why this question may be found unresolved in the rooms of many a house is probably because it is tied so tightly with human nature. We're all confined to the prisons of our own mind. We do not know the true consequences of our actions because we can't see into the mind of other persons. What was an innocuous, harmless comment to the one speaking it might deeply hurt the one receiving it.

Sometimes the comment truly was harmless, it was the recipient who was overly sensitive. Sometimes it is the speaker who is an insensitive arse, who lacks any real understanding of the effects of his words.

I know I've probably spoken of this before, but it was probably before you made your way here, Warrior, so I take the risk of repeating myself... An excellent series of sci-fi books features a solution to all this; the author calls it "affinity". It's not really something truly new, because this "affinity" is merely an extended version of telepathy, a much-desired skill by most of us I suppose. The difference is, that the author didn't just toss it in as an interesting concept. He took the consequences of the existence of this ability and built an entire society around it. A society vastly different from "normal" human societies, and he did it in a way that makes it seem REALISTIC as well.

How would we act and react if we knew exactly the way everyone around us felt about us?

I suppose I try to act this way even now, being as much a prisoner in my own mind as everyone else. Of course I do not succeed all the time. Maybe not even most of the time. And this faceless communication across the internet where people come and go according to their own schedules and whims do not help. In fact it is a breeding-ground for misunderstandings and misinterpretation. All of us probably have several examples of that in their own personal experience.


I want people to like me, but it's not possible for everybody to like me because I also have to be ME. I can't shape myself and my ideas and ideals according to how everybody else might think about me. Maybe I am even less conformant than most, I'm not sure, because I don't have much else than ME anymore. So I have to be true to myself, or I won't be true to anything. If I didn't, there would be nothing left!

But being ME does not exclude wanting to do "the right thing", quite the opposite. But sometimes we all fail, me also. Especially me, it sometimes feel like. We get angry, sometimes for valid and sometimes for stupid reasons. We want to hurt others like we've been hurt - or like we FEEL we've been hurt, which is not the same thing.

So again it comes down to human nature... It's just the way we are. Apes, wearing clothes. Primal instincts sometimes getting the better of us, either accidentally or willingly.


Why no "world fellowship" as Shadow Warrior calls it? Why, THAT one is much easier to answer...

It's all about power, of course. Power, and control. It's much easier to keep a firm hand on both by preaching hate than by preaching love. "We're good, we're right, but THEY... THEM... They are wrong, they are faulty, they are deviant. They have to be destroyed! We shall conquer, our way, the right way shall prevail!" Often one have to tack on a "because God is on our side" at the end also.

Much easier.


-Lenny



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direct my sail."

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Lenny, welcome "home"!  [message #5488 is a reply to message #5480] Mon, 28 October 2002 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And thank you.

As ever, your thoughts are bound to provoke further dialogue on this contentious subject.

And with dialogue, understanding not just acceptance may come.

From the midst of our "hate", often springs the very truths necessary to spawn and foster our ability to "love". We can never have the latter without having exorcised the former.

Of course the same holds true for most things in life. Friendships often fail because of our inability to deal adequately with one, the other or both emotions, leading to unspoken misunderstanding, and distance amongst parties to the affair, where none should have existed at all. We see this all too often through failed sibling rivalry and especially in situations where one or both of a parent or child coming to hate the other and never speaking again. This should never happens, but it does. Why should the world community be any different.

Warren C. E. Austin
Your right Lenny ........  [message #5489 is a reply to message #5480] Mon, 28 October 2002 17:29 Go to previous message
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We each need to bring a rational knowlege of the limitations that this type of communication brings with it. Then we can sometimes (I am no better at this than most anyone else) step back and think before we inflict this hurt on ourselves.

You are also correct, that some people are just not very nice folks. To choose to ignore these people takes away the power they have to hurt us.

As for the world .... loving, caring, good will, and compassion begin with one person to the next. Don't think you don't make a difference. "A waterfall begins with just one drop, and see what comes from that"

Just a thought .... politicians (sorry folks I have to a little) speak of family values, lets try community values instead ..... anyone ever hear "Love thy neighbor"?

Much love to all of you,
Kevin



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