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I was amazed to hear that the prime minister of Australia thinks pictures of naked children are pornographic.
Some people really don't understand the difference between what is good and what is bad do they?
I do wish society were willing to accept nudity more easily. This sort of attitude pushes nudity and sex together and I think the world would be a better place if the association were weakened. I do think putting on special clothes to go swimming is ridiculous.
Does anyone agree or am I out on a limb here?
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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I agree totally. While one may need to remove garments for sex, and thus nudity and sex are associated, nudity per se can be quite unappetising.
Erotic clothing is far more pleasant than total nudity, usually.
Thus clothes are sexier than nakedness.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Youre on the limb.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Talking to a Russian friend of mine, he tells me that every household has pics of their boys nude, swimming, jogging, playing, etc.. They think nothing of it and its almost a thing of pride and family pics are shown willingly. The European attitude is very different from the American or Austrailian. Then again what can you expect from a country founded by puritans.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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I agree also. I have spent much time in Greece and around the Mediterranian and they are never bothered by nudity. Roger"s observation about "a country founded by puritans" is correct. Marc, it's gonna get pretty damn lonely out on that limb.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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marc
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Personally, I don't need to see kids in the buff.
True other countries have different views on such things... but I live here and thats how it is.
Puritanical or not.... It just isn't my thing....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Oh I know...
But if you need to go around looking at little kids in the altogether then thats your choice...
I'll keep to the big boys myself. It might be lonely on that limb..... But at least it doesnt take root from a jail cell...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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If they are on the beach playing, they are on the beach, playing. Europe finds it rather normal and natural. Regrettably the UK is reimporting those old puritanical attitudes.
One does not "go around looking at little kids", they are simply present.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Regrettably, one hard and fast reality is that photography is put into the mix then one has to point the camera...
In order to photo nakey kids one must first find nakey kids to photo...
That is searching out....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Leave it to you Marc, to have us labeled perverts or pedo's because children are playing naked at the beach or where ever. How is it that no one here can even remotely mention the nudity or beauty of a child without you standing on your soap box ? For crying out loud, is this post going to be another abortion cause you don't like the subject matter ???? You made a comment, as is your right to do so. Now, put a sock in it.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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Yes, Europe is a bit better than the USA. Twenty years ago if you went to swim in Denmark (or Sweden, I'm told) one just took one's clothes off on the beach and swam naked.
I did find several nudist beaches in the USA but to a large extent they were gay cruising places (which put my wife off!).
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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Alright.
I think I understand.
You are entitled to your opinion.
And I am not entitled to mine.
As for perverts or pedos... if the shoe fits, wear it. If not, then don't hale the coming of them or you might get mistaken for the team captain.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Roger, but Australia was founded by convicts.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Marc, the only one who sees "preverts and pedos" is you. Your comment about "if the shoe fits" is your typical stock answer to everything and always being preceeded by your " I am not entitled to my opinion" speech.
Sorry pal, but if the picture my mom took of me and my younger brother frolicing naked in our sandbox makes me the teams captain, you really need help.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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marc
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LOL...
First.... it was you that introduced the terms "perverts and pedos" into the mix.... So don't turn it back on me.
Your mothers pics of you and your brother does not make you a captain... it makes you a victom.
That is not opinion.... just facts as you presented them.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Dear Marc,
It's not just little kids. It's everyone. It's 70 year old grandmothers and teenagers and ... and...
I mean everyone. And once you get used to it people are much the same (except the black ones are more beautiful) and there is no overtone of sex in it. And you see more of the beauty and less of the political correctness.
And you have to admit that there is less paedophilia (in the bad sense) among nudists than among the rest of them!
Love,
Anthony
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Fight, fight!
No Aqualino, I am the team captain!
I shan't post the pictures of my daughters and grandchildren because some people might not approve, but since they were all taken with different eyes to those Marc fears (am I right, Marc?) I think they are all perfectly acceptable. And so do my friends who let me take pictures of their babies in our paddling pool.
Just nakedness is nothing to be ashamed of and certainly nothing sexual.
I was reminded this evening of the photo-processor who reported to the police a picture of two very young children in the bath together because she thought it was pornographic. I think she was sick. Don't you think so too, Marc?
The association between nudity and illicit sex is quite misplaced in my opinion.
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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Actually, her motives are hers and for her own reasons.
Personally, if someone presented to me a picture of a naked child I would do the very same thing.
Here to not report it is as heinous a crime as the origional taker of the photo and I will NOT fry for someone elses indescretion....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Well, Marc,
I don't think any nakedness or photo of it is pornographic (but I admit pictures of men with erections do look that way).
The many naked people I've seen on beaches and elsewhere only rarely get erections and usually when they do they are embarrassed by them and try to conceal them so they are very rarely obvious. (And of course I'm keener than most to see them and very rarely do).
But young children when naked are quite asexual and as far as I am concerned are OK in almost any circumstances (even a supermarket) and I'll be glad to be with them and their parents and I am not the least embarrassed by it.
What I don't understand is how anyone else can be.
If you would be embarrassed can you say why?
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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The naked body in no way embarasses me.
As I said, I have frequented nude beaches in the past.... But as I also said, the nude beach is no place for cameras.
To see what floats by is one thing... To record it for posterety is to me quite another.
Also, here, in the country where I live, it is a crime to take photos of nude kids in any form or format.
And I live according to the law. That is a survival skill for me.... When the law changes so will my need to adhere to it, but not until.
As for nakey kids in the supermarket.... here it is illegal to enter without shoes.... to be naked is beyond the limit.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I'm certainly glad my mom died 14 years ago today. I wouldn't want her arrested for her "HEINOUS crime" of taking a snapshot of her 2 naked sons. That is just plain rediculous and the fact that you would do the very same thing makes you pathetic.
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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marc
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Let's just leave the pathetic aspect of this to those that choose to take pic's of, look at, surf the net, for naked kids to perve over.
I don't do it....
If you find doing it repulsive then so much the better for you...
But your insistance that pic's of naked kids is good makes me wonder about your motives.
You tell me... What is pathetic?
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Anthony started this post and asked us our opinion on the matter. YOU are the only one who made a big deal about the whole thing and that's what I find pathetic. No one else read this post and assumed right away that he was asking an opinion on the merits of "kiddie-porn". You did the same thing to Timmy's post last month about young boys. You turned that one into a big stink as well.
As for my insistance that pics of naked kids are good, all I can say is that one of us needs new eyeglasses because that is not what I implied when I answered. You wonder about my motives because I see nothing wrong with the pics my mom took of my brother and I when we were 2 and 3 years old ? If that makes you wonder about me, you are a bigger jackass than I thought possible.
I don't see anyone answering your other post, "Just Wondering" as agreeing with you either. Believe what you want to I don't care anymore. You can stick your moral compass where the sun don't shine as far as I am concerned.
Anthony, I apologise for this rant taking place in your well meaning post. It was a good topic that unfortunately once again did not measure up to Marc's high moral standards. Sad, very sad. Marc wonders about my motives, gimmee a break.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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I have found 2 different stories loosely fitting your description. One from 2 months ago where a show at an art gallery was shut down and the other where an art magazine, seeking to make a political statement, put a pic of a naked 6 year old on the cover.
which one are you talking about??
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(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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I know at what risk I make in typing this out to you Marc
but god knows i have the support of many here in saying what I am prepared too
bluntly
and kindly excuse any riots I start with this this is my last post for awhile
but who the hell are you to be a morally superior holier then thou whiner about everything
Get your head out of your ass
you were a porn star for god's sakes
you have no moral or intellectual ground to stand on when it comes to discussions of ethics, morals and what people enjoy....
Just because you say oh I don't like that doesn't make you the god damned hegemon of the universe where you make every decision for everyone...
Oh i forgot in your fool of a head thats how it works.
I truly pity you sir
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marc
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Who do you think you are?
What is done willingly at an adult stage of life has nothing to do with taking questionable pictures of minor children.
I make no decisions for any other than myself....
I do however know when something is wrong....
Now..... you know where you can go. Please do it now.
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marc
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Actually, I dont need to wonder about much here....
I don't really care much as to who answers other posts....
I don't really care about you....
But I do care about people that abuse children by photographing them in the nude.... And incidently, so does the law... Thats why they legislate against such things...
In other places, standards might be different, but here where I am, and incidently where you are, it is illegal to do...
Like it or not, those are the facts.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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It was the six year old on the cover of the magazine that the Australian PM said was pornographic.
But I was hoping to make the general point and also hoping that people here would feel it was OK being naked and it didn't HAVE to be about sex.
In some countries a naked female ankle is a come-on. I think that is sad because it so restricts the things people can do in everyday life.
Love,
Anthony
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I don't remember mentioning a camera
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Here again,
The origional post was about the prome minister of Austrailia and a photo in a magazine.
perhaps it is a chicken egg thing.... but i cant figure how to get a "photograph" without "photography"
Thus, the camera.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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There are nude beaches in the US and also nudist colonies. Children of all ages are seen nude. I think this is the point. If young children turn you on sexually, you need to stay away from children and places like that. If your not then its just another kid who happens to be nude. There was a time wnen every household had pics of a baby on a rug nakid. It hasnt been untill lately that the media has lumped nudity and sex together in the same boat. I can admire the well built body of a young man, but that doesnt mean I want to jump his bones. Basicly i dont want to put up with their childish, self centered behavior, and I dont have time to teach them what they need to know  .
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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You never had gay sex in a place where it was illegal?
You also reported gay sex whenever you knew it was taking place?
If you did I have lost a whole lot of respect for you- I thought you stood up for gay rights, rather than selling people out to uphold the law...
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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marc
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It is not a great stretch to see that acts performed by concenting, informed adults and photographs of children that are neither informed of the consequences or mature enough to concent to pictures with the wherewithall to know and understand the possibilities of such actions which would be apparent to a person of legal age.
If you can't understand the differences here, then you never will.
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saben
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Yet in the other topic you say "My stand on this matter is based on law..."
If your stand is based on law, then that surely means you plan on upholding the law in all cases.
Obviously your stand is not based on law if you are making exceptions.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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marc
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I read the words "this matter" in that line.
And, as regarding the law....
I am not breaking any... Are you?
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Is that what all the fuss is about? Meanwhile thousands are dying of hunger, malnutrition and oppression in Zimbabwe.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Gee, I was expecting something where I could give the PM the benefit of the doubt but this fails every definition of pornography that I'm familiar with. If it were on something other than an art magazine he might have a small point. This is another example of someone who has let their power go to their head.
JimB
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Why such an inconsistent stance?
I'm not breaking any law, either.
But given homosexual acts were illegal up until the 90s in many parts of America until the courts struck down the laws I'm assuming you've broken the law in the past.
Unless your "wild youth" merely consisted of kissing and holding hands.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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