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Win or lose tonight the Republicans will still have one
California Prop 8
the election doesnt matter, if they're able to win this is Cali
It will destroy everything
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Fingolfin
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I checked the opinions of our politicians, most would vote for McCain, it's a kind of delusion for me, unfortunately. Civil partnership does not exist here (albeit in Czech Rep. it does) due to the fact that the current government consists besides others also of catholic nationalists and the last government catholic bigots... Sad story, indeed...
I can see your upset...
Marek
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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It was the California Supreme Court that declared the ban against gay marriage as unconstitutional. Writing a new law, without changing the constitution, doesn't seem to me to change anything. I believe there will be a huge legal battle over this issue. However, I think we are missing something here. Almost half of the California voters were against this ban. It was a close call. Do you realize how far we have come in order to have won the hearts and minds of nearly half the populace of that state? We have come a long way but the battle isn't over yet.
Jordan, just continue living life as you have been. Show the people of your town, state and country that you are good, honorable and moral and yet you are a gay person. You will live to see a day of full equality. So will Californians.
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proposition 8 changes the state constitution, so denying marriage is no longer unconstitutional.
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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"A major purpose of the Constitution is to protect minorities from majorities. Because changing that principle is a fundamental change to the organizing principles of the Constitution itself, only the Legislature can initiate such revisions to the Constitution," said Elizabeth Gill, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California.
It is a matter of fairness, said Jenny Pizer, a staff attorney with Lambda Legal. "If the voters approved an initiative that took the right to free speech away from women, but not from men, everyone would agree that such a measure conflicts with the basic ideals of equality enshrined in our Constitution. Proposition 8 suffers from the same flaw: It removes a protected constitutional right -- here, the right to marry -- not from all Californians, but just from one group of us," she said.
from chicagotribune.com
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-081105-gay-marriage-ban-california,0,1804310.story
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timmy
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Registered: February 2003
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Shall we opt to remove speed limits in a ballot, too?
[Updated on: Thu, 06 November 2008 09:27]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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JimB
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Timmy, the ballot measure was not for a law but to change the State Constitution by putting in a definition for marriage. Hereafter in California marriage will be defined as the union of a man and woman per the State Constitution.
JimB
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A constitution is the yardstick by which all subsequent laws are weighed in the balance. If a law oversteps the bounds imposed by the constitution then the courts can invalidate the law. This has the effect of protecting minorities against overzealous majorities. But, when the constitution itself is amended to allow majority rule, then society is the loser.
A constitution in a free and democratic state is designed to protect an individual's liberty. To amend it so that freedom is lost, then expect a battle royal to re-establish the 'intent' of that constitution.
By the way, no state's constitution, in the U.S., can usurp any freedoms guaranteed by the federal constitution. Thomas Jefferson, in our Declaration of Independence, stated... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
I'd say that the above gives us plenty of ammunition to challenge ANY state's constitutional restrictions against gay marriage.
So there... gall durn it!
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saben
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In Australia voting in a referendum to amend the constitution, like all voting is compulsory. I don't support compulsory voting, but I think voting to amend a constitution should be compulsory.
Also in Australia, voting on changing the Federal Constitution requires an absolute majority of the population of Australia to agree to it, in addition to requiring the majority of people in the majority of states. As a result very few changes have ever been made to the Australian constitution.
I don't know how these same principles could be applied to a state constitution. But surely a simple majority of people that can be bothered voting isn't really the most accountable way of doing things. Perhaps the overall majority, as well as the majority in the majority of districts. It'd be like having to win the Electoral College as well as the popular vote...
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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yusime
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Let me remind all Americans here about the idea of Federalism different sets of laws designed to regulate either the people of all states or the people of individual states. Federal laws and State laws. Also remember LAWRENCE V. TEXAS is only 5 years old. It took the Supreme Court to decide Lawrence V. Texas which lead to Mass. then to Cali. declaring the laws against gay marriage unconstitutional. If we gain enough Supreme Court Justices at least 7 then they might declare that states cannot discriminate. Our best bet is to prevent the states that do not have Constitutional Amendments to define Marriage from passing such amendments in the first place and not deal with laws until everything else is in place.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake since for him a spinal cord would suffice. Albert Einstein
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27652443#27652443
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Listen to it all. All. A simple voice of common sense.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I just get a black blank screen.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Me too, for about 10 seconds. Then it clears, runs a crap advert, followed by the real meat of the thing.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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No, not even a crap ad. Perhaps it's and AppleMac thing.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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What Mac OS do you run? I have the OS X 10.4.11 and it will run the videos with no problem. I think if you are still running the OS 9, the videos won't run. Also, which internet browser you have with the Mac may affect what will and won't run. I have the proprietary Safari which works fine. My older IE wouldn't run a damn thing. Good luck. We Mac users are in the minority and have to stick together.
Scott
PS. I also have to speak PC at work, which I suppose would make me bi-lingual? ;-D
Cycling is the one sport where a guy can shave his legs, wear spandex and bright colors, and be accepted.
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Hi Scott!
I'm running OSX 10.3.9. I really ought to update to 10.5, but is it worth £85? I use both Safari and Firefox as browsers. If I open IE, it's because I've clicked the wrong icon in the dock.
Thanks for your interest.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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