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The Magpie  [message #55896] Sat, 07 March 2009 19:43 Go to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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As we are growing up and recognizing our true nature, many of us would tend to do and say stupid things in order to protect our self image. We might fail to act from the heart because that would reveal too much about ourselves - things we believe are best hidden.

Here is a short film with English subtitles. How many of us would fit this mold? And which of the two characters would demonstrate your own actions at that age?

"El Marica" - The Magpie.

http://www.dailymotion.com/user/Chali0185/video/x76aoh_el-marica-avelardo-castillo-english_shortfilms



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Re: The Magpie  [message #55897 is a reply to message #55896] Sat, 07 March 2009 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NW is currently offline  NW

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Paul Schroder wrote:

> Here is a short film with English subtitles. How many of us would fit this mold? And which of the two characters would demonstrate your own actions at that age?


I would have gone in. Not - or at least, not only - out of a desire to "pass", to fit in, but because between the ages of about 12 and 23 I strongly believed in challenging myself by being open to all possible new experiences. Looking back, that was to do with poor self-esteem, and a negligible sense of self-preservation: I don't recommend "never say no" as a motto when it comes to sex and drugs! But the person I am now grew from the person I was then, and I have no regrets.

But I would not - I think and hope - ever turn my back on a friend because they did something that was different from the crowd, or that I didn't understand, or couldn't share, or because supporting them might make me conspicuous. That self-same "negligible sense of self-preservation" always meant that I wouldn't let being afraid or being unpopular deter me from things and people I felt were right. I hope that in some measure I still retain that characteristic!



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Re: The Magpie  [message #55898 is a reply to message #55896] Sat, 07 March 2009 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's powerful. As it started I thought the writer. As it went on I though Cesar. And the answer is that I have been both boys. I wonder if any of us have not?

I was never brave enough to be me. I'm only now starting to be brave enough.



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Re: The Magpie  [message #55905 is a reply to message #55897] Sat, 07 March 2009 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I think you do, NW (retain that characteristic). I hope I do too.

But at that age (13? - maybe I hadn't even begun to ejaculate!) I feel sure I would have chickened out too - whether before or after going in I can't now tell.

Is the title indicative? I thought the Spanish for gay was 'maricon'.

On the other hand, when I was through puberty I don't recall ever rejecting a sexual opportunity! (Wow. Did I really say that?) I mean until I got married!

Love,
Anthony
Re: The Magpie  [message #55906 is a reply to message #55898] Sat, 07 March 2009 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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The more I look at this the more I disagree with my previous statement. It's interesting, yes, but it seems to me to be based somewhat upon "cold reading" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading#The_Forer_effect.2FBarnum_statements

I half identify with the writer because I wrote a letter. I proved myself not to be queer because I had sex with a girl in public. I stood shoulder to shoulder with homophobes. I can identify enough of that to see the writer.

I was also the other boy. I cared for the boy I loved very deeply.

So the film hit the spot. But then it would.

The other thing about it is that it is not exactly a well crafted film. b It held my interest because Paul asked the question he asked. I wanted to answer him. Showing a friend with no prior question elicited a "yes? So what?" response.



Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
Re: The Magpie  [message #55907 is a reply to message #55896] Sun, 08 March 2009 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neither character is me. Especially not at that age.

I wouldn't have been invited. And were I invited I surely would have stuck to my faith and done the "right thing".

I didn't understand I was gay and I didn't know anyone effeminate. My religion was an adequate mask for any abnormal behaviour I may have displayed. But often I masked it myself with excessive talk of sex, excessive swearing and crudeness. That was, in part, to mask my religion, too.



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Re: The Magpie  [message #55916 is a reply to message #55896] Sun, 08 March 2009 14:44 Go to previous message
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Nothing like that ever happened to me, but I can nevertheless think of times when I hid my hypocrisy, and I still feel ashamed of them.

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