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OMG!
Now...I'm not sure, because I was not really watching the girls but...it was like boys play with boys and girls play with girls, wasn't it? How delightful to see a male dive into the arms of another male, instead of a female diving. I don't believe that I've ever seen anything quite like that. Cirque de Soleil, move over.
Anyway, the only time I can remember seeing a girl in watching the clip was when the 3 boys used one for a jump rope. I'm so damned gay that I totally missed the talent of half the performers. And Orff's Carmenia Burana was a really striking accompaniment. Thanks for a most enjoyable post! I gotta go back and watch the girls now...but how will I keep my eyes from wandering?
Max
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For brothers to dwell together in unity!
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There were girls??? Damn, if I were only about 30 years younger... and in the UK... and his best friend... and he was gay... and... well forget it, too many if's. Dammit.
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Thanks for using up an hour of my life.
Whoops... does that give away the number of times I watched it?
Ummm... it was for the music, honest! It was stirring. Now, why do I have the urge to go look at that six pack in my refrigerator? Subliminal advertising?
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So, I am different. I liked the look of him at 4 mins 26 secs in the back. He can come and perform for me whenever he likes.
J F R
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Just for the music, eh?
FYI, Paul, the music was "O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana by Karl Orff.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Absolutely enthralling. I forgot to look at the time scale, but didn't need to. My eyes were on the two cuties.
If you have ever been thrown around by gymnasts, as I was once in my younger days, you realise what a thrill it is, and the trust you have to have in your handlers.
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Nigel
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Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
Without being too indelicate about it- it is interesting that older men admiring cute 18 year olds is somehow acceptable when if a 20 year old was admiring a cute 14 year old it is seen as paedophilia.
I wonder if the discomfort people would feel about a 20/14 year old couple would be replicated if it were a 60/18 year old couple. And if that's the case why do laws in so many countries draw a strict line at 16 or 18. Surely it's the "creepy" factor that motivates a lot of these laws, after all.
I'm not trying to make any judgements of you older guys and your comments here. But it does just highlight the arbitrariness (in my opinion) of society's judgement of paedophilia.
[I'm just talking about attraction here- not sex. Most people on the street would want to castrate someone that was attracted to 14 year olds, even if they weren't sexually active with 14 year olds.]
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It is more the case that old men are allowed to admire young girls, but never young boys.
I'm perfectly happy to admire this young man as cute and with a great body. if I'm fair he stands a tad too round shouldered. I don't care what his age is unless the picture shows him naked. At that point it matters by law.
I will admire such young men when I am 100, should I not be run over by a bus in the meantime. I feel free to admire beauty in a 5 year old if I see it.
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Let's face it...puppies are cute and we all like to cuddle puppies, it's the old dogs we avoid.
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"Without being too indelicate about it- it is interesting that older men admiring cute 18 year olds is somehow acceptable when if a 20 year old was admiring a cute 14 year old it is seen as paedophilia."
I don't think that it is culturally acceptable in the west for any man to admire any other man, insofar as physical appreciation goes. Maybe just a little like at the gym or something when discussing body building, but that's about it. Women in the western world do not seem to have this problem.
I think we have a cultural lie going on here in the west. The lie being that men supposedly can not appreciate the looks of other men. I think that the cultural lie happened because western guys are very afraid of homosexuality. I think they are very afraid of it because at times they feel/have felt attracted to other guys. The bell curve of degrees of homosexuality would seem to support that latter hypothesis.
Art seems to be the lone exception, but even there, a guy can't go on and on about the beauty of the young male form or eyebrows are raised. And when it comes to paintings like the ones done by turn of the century British artist Henry Scott Tuke, guys can't even look at it without being considered a weirdo.
Makes me wonder how the Roman Catholic Church has gotten away with naked male forms painted all over the ceilings. But even there it does not necessarily mean that the depiction of nude young males is only something for aged trolls to salivate over. Why shouldn't admiring a youth au naturel be as acceptable as admiring a wolf in the wild?
Max
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
Yes, Max, I do admire beauty and I see a lot of it, but am I alone in not lusting after it all the time? I live in an area where many students lodge and I walk to get my paper every morning while they are walking to the university. That's nice.
But it's what's between their ears that I might be attracted by and I think it would be a pretence and false if I were to join in with those who comment that 'they wouldn't kick this one or that one out of bed'.
So I'm really not affected, personally, by all this fear of paedophilia. I can admire the beauty of the children at the school where my daughters work whether they are 10 or 18 and whether they are male or female and say so and feel no lust.
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acam wrote:
I can admire the beauty of the children at the school where my daughters work whether they are 10 or 18 and whether they are male or female and say so and feel no lust. Am I really so odd in that?
Nor me neither. So, Anthony, it's not odd. Let's just face it: we are just two old codgers.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Anthony,
I think that it's simply out of bravado that a lot of gay guys say things like 'I wouldn't kick that 18 year old out of bed'. I think that the vast majority of gay guys think like you.
We need understanding and acceptance more than we need a firm young body.
Personally, I don't lust after the youngsters. I find them attractive to look at because that's my nature. But my intelligence moderates my nature. I know the beauty of being understood and being accepted and loved and I know that it takes life experience to learn how to love like that. It is not to be found in those significantly out of one's age range.
So I like to look at them, but to go so far as to lust would be immature in my view. I suppose there are always exceptions to one degree or another, but by and large a young man will not find what he needs in an old man, and vice versa.
Max
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
Thank you JFR and Max for confirming that I do have some fellows on here. And that I'm not alone in rejecting some of the insincere gay-speak of those who are not only out and proud but still want to shock the rest of the world.
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acam wrote:
Thank you JFR and Max for confirming that I do have some fellows on here. And that I'm not alone in rejecting some of the insincere gay-speak of those who are not only out and proud but still want to shock the rest of the world.
Anthony, As far as your first sentence is concerned: you are welcome. Your second sentence does not reflect my view accurately at all.
J F R
[Updated on: Mon, 26 April 2010 13:28]
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Acam wrote:>"And that I'm not alone in rejecting some of the insincere gay-speak of those who are not only out and proud but still want to shock the rest of the world."
What exactly do you define as insincere Gay speak? Especially since YOU do not live as an openly Gay man. Come to think of it, neither does Max.
Well Anthony? For those of us that DO live as OPENLY Gay men, Lesbians,Bisexual plus our brother & sister Transgendered folk, what exactly is INSINCERE?
Why because Gay guys make comments like I wouldn't kick that cute guy out of bed? Just as a STRAIGHT guy wouldn't say the same about a well breasted young female?
You're painting everyone whose orientation is LGBT with a pretty damn big wide brush aren't you?
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... and potentially possible within the physical realm of erotic pleasuring with the likes of any one of the youths (wither male or female) as witnesses in all (or any one of the) three of their appearances on Britain's Got Talent ... whew!
Frankly my arthritis would likely get the better of me long before any of their convoluted positions might; but, LOL, I'd have had a damn good time trying, despite it probably hospitalizing me.
Warren C. E. Austin
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Oddly I see nothing at all erotic in the poses. They look impossible! Edward is cute, though not handsome. And I wish he would stand with his shoulders a tad further back I find him erotic, but not in the athletic poses.
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I find him erotic, but not in the athletic poses.