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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #76482 is a reply to message #76461] Tue, 14 January 2020 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #76541 is a reply to message #76275] Fri, 14 February 2020 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bensiamin is currently offline  Bensiamin   United States

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In case anyone thinks religious intolerance isn't a problem, a recent turn of events in Portland, Oregon illustrates how far we have to go, and just how deep the opposition and bigotry runs. Concordia University, a 115-year old Lutheran college in Portland announced this week it was closing after some years of financial problems caused mainly be declining student registration. The University's financial problems could have been ameliorated by assistance from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, except the Synod tied financial assistance to the school addressing its campus resource center that supports LGBTQ students.

Here's the operant part of the story: the synod's board of directors in Houston, passed a resolution stating they were determined to withhold further financial assistance "until the university has substantively addressed the issues regarding the Gender and Sexuality Resource Center and brought its articles and bylaws back into conformity with the requirements of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod."

The synod is vehemently anti-gay rights, arguing "homosexuality is a sinful distortion of His desire that one man and one woman live together in marriage as husband and wife."

"God," the synod states on its website, "categorically prohibits homosexuality."

The article appeared in The Oregonian

So, not only is this church's position on homosexuality antideluvian and hateful, the bigotry is so embedded in the values system of this church that they are willing to allow a university to fail and deny over 5,000 students the ability to graduate, in order to have their position prevail. The religious push back to LGBTQ rights is operating on a very wide front.




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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #76547 is a reply to message #76541] Mon, 17 February 2020 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Teddy is currently offline  Teddy   United States

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"Bensiamin wrote on Fri, 14 February 2020 08:21"
In case anyone thinks religious intolerance isn't a problem, a recent turn of events in Portland, Oregon illustrates how far we have to go, and just how deep the opposition and bigotry runs. Concordia University, a 115-year old Lutheran college in Portland announced this week it was closing after some years of financial problems caused mainly be declining student registration. The University's financial problems could have been ameliorated by assistance from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, except the Synod tied financial assistance to the school addressing its campus resource center that supports LGBTQ students.




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I had wondered about this one. I read that story on a couple of the local PDX TV news pages but neither of them gave a reason beyond financial issues. I was relatively certain there had to be more to the story than what the TV Stations were telling us.

It figures that religious bigotry was the driving factor in Concordia's ultimate demise. Sad and discouraging, but hardly a surprise. A good friend told me following the Overgefellv. Hodges decision by the US Supreme Court in 2015 that legalized same sex marriage here in the US that we would see across the board pushback from the Christian right unlike any pushback we've seen in our lifetimes and that things would get very, very ugly before they get better again. It seems as if he may have been correct.



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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77423 is a reply to message #76275] Wed, 21 October 2020 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bensiamin is currently offline  Bensiamin   United States

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Let The Turmoil Begin!

The New York Times today broke a story about support for same-sex unions by Pope Francis. The statements appear in a film about the pope that release Oct. 21 in Rome, but are at odds with the Church's formal position.

http://forum.iomfats.org/?t=getfile&id=5215&private=0

That position is found in the Church's catechism where homosexuality is defined as intrinsically disordered (specifically, an intrinsic moral disorder that is the Protestant equivalent to depraved sin), and further fortified by Pope Benedict's 2003 proclamation that: "The Church teaches that respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behavior or to legal recognition of homosexual unions."

Read the New York Times piece here.

This news is certain to unleash a period of turmoil and infighting between the Pope what has become known for personal compassion and empathy, and the conservative hierarchy--especially conservative Bishops in the United States and Africa. It should be remembered that until/unless the Catechism of the Church changes, the formal teaching and position of the church remains the same.

Read more in our LGBTQ and Faith section here.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 October 2020 15:25]




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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77430 is a reply to message #77423] Thu, 22 October 2020 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bensiamin is currently offline  Bensiamin   United States

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INTERESTING! Here's the view of another Good Catholic Boy on the Pope's statement about civil unions!

http://forum.iomfats.org/?t=getfile&id=5218&private=0



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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77463 is a reply to message #77430] Tue, 10 November 2020 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bensiamin is currently offline  Bensiamin   United States

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It's hard to post this without it sounding self-satisfied or thinking about "chickens comin home to roost," but not only did Trump's Amy Coney Barrett super-spreader event infect a number of attendees, it also infected one of the most vocal opponents of same-sex marriage...who just died!

http://forum.iomfats.org/?t=getfile&id=5233&private=0
Perhaps there is divine justice!

[Updated on: Tue, 10 November 2020 18:57]




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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77464 is a reply to message #77463] Tue, 10 November 2020 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77465 is a reply to message #77464] Wed, 11 November 2020 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Talo Segura is currently offline  Talo Segura   France

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Why some Black Christians, Africans, Afro-Americans, are anti-gay, lays in the roots of White colonialism. As with a lot of situations, you need to study history to see how we got to where we are today, and this topic is rather large.

Whilst primitive Black Africa was never homosexual positive, it was tolerant. The situation altered dramatically when the continent was conquered by Whites who brought their Christain bible. Interesting reading, - The Hidden Power of the Whites. The Secret Religion Withheld from the Primal Peoples / Le Pouvoir caché des Blancs. La religion secrète dissimulée aux peuples primitifs. - goes some way to explaining how the White religion was interpreted by those African societies upon whom it was imposed. 

Two thirds of African nations with extremely repressive anti-gay laws are Commonwealth countries whose laws derive from British anti-sodomy laws which were only reprieved in 1967, compared to only one third of ex-French colonies, which country reprieved its anti-sodomy law with the French Revolution in 1750.

That we end up today with Black Christians more Christian than most Whites and Black Africans anti-gay, is an amalgam of circumstances rooted in world history. Given the broader picture, whilst it is easy to blame the vehement and hateful preaching of the so called (Black) Evangelists, you have to see how this arose. When you understand culture and history you may more easily see how opposing such people head on will not achieve the desired goal, but illuminating their road to prejudice might? Like completing the circle we started and are responsible for, ourselves!

https://www.persee.fr/doc/assr_0335-5985_1978_num_46_1_2156

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/african-sexuality -and-legacy-imported-homophobia
Re: Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin  [message #77468 is a reply to message #77465] Fri, 13 November 2020 06:57 Go to previous message
Teddy is currently offline  Teddy   United States

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I agree, Talo. We are a product of our respective histories. 

The idea of illuminating ttheir road to prejudice is good but doomed to failure, at least in the short term. Illuminating it in the long term can be partially successful but for a people or cultue to make much progress on that front, I submit that the change must come from within the cultue itself rather than from someone, who by the very natue of what they are attempting to do, is at least partially antithetical to that culture. The true dawning of realization and thus of change must come from the culture itself or from someone who is a charismatic enough leader within the culture showing a different way forward.  



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