|
|
|
|
on an ED/abuse recovery board i post on/moderate for, there's a hot topic section. i just read this article and damn near lost my breakfast, and in fact can barely keep it down. i'm trying to find other articles on this ... is this even ALLOWED?! can't the parents SUE this guy to not do it? well here, please read and then what i'm saying will make sense:
"On October 3, 2003 Anti-Gay Preacher Fred Phelps' announced intentions to erect a "monument" to Matthew Shepard, a college student brutally murdered five years ago. The following is an article published October 3, 2003 by 365Gay.com's News Center.
(Casper, Wyoming) Anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps has announced intentions to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard the gay college student brutally murdered five years ago near Laramie.
But, the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says the monument would be 5 to 6 feet tall and made of marble or granite. It would bear a bronze plaque bearing the image of Shepard and have an inscription reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."
The monument would be erected in downtown Casper, Shepard's home town. Phelps has sent details of the monument to the city of Casper city council and there may be nothing the city can do to prevent it. Phelps said he intends to put up the monument in City Park, already the location of a controversial statue of the Ten Commandments. "
I'm sorry if anyone else has already posted about this, i didn't see a thread though.
There's a petition (where i got the article quote from) here: http://www.petitiononline.com/mrphelps/petition.html
If you guys feel strongly about this, sign it. Please.
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
It seems that when the city allowed the Ten Commandments monument, they opened the door for this sort of thing. Phelps has also stated that if the statue is not allowed on public property, he will find private land on which to erect his "memorial".
I do think that if such a "Memorial" is constructed, it will not be standing for long.
I post news on several other message boards and will post the link to the petition, if it has not been done allready.
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
 |
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
I think the most appropriate thing is for us all, later, to rememebr mr phelps by uriniating on his grave.
I would love to watch the conversation at the Pearly Gates between him and St Peter.
Regrettably publicity just encourages this man. I have my doubts that a petition has value, thoiugh I will sign it in case
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
|
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
My email list of just under 1,000 souls has this with a request to act and pass it on. 27906 signatures a few minutes ago.
A lone voice does nothing. Together we may just make a difference.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
i too, am not sure if this petition will do anything, but it only takes less than a minute of one's time. and you're right--many voices together just might do something.
thanks you guys, for passing it around. i too sent it through emails, to others. even my mother at her workplace. 
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
robert bryce
|
 |
Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 414
|
|
|
180 grain 30/6 hollow point to the brain will do a better job of stopping phelps.........rob......
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
For once I agree with you on something, 999%
You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I'm happy that I read this BEFORE eating, because I'm ready to puke
You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
smith
|
 |
On fire! |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 1095
|
|
|
Just when I think I can't read anything worse, can't see someone do anything worse......they prove me wrong. Surely, surely that won't be allowed. What God does this man worship? Not mine.....not yours. Some evil godthing that hurts and destroys what is beautiful. Please, everyone, take a minute and sign that petition. It all makes me sick >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
robert bryce
|
|
Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 414
|
|
|
I told you guys so!!.Instead of venting and disliking rob because he is harsh and outspoken,perhaps it is time to rethink just who our enemys are and begin to see that this is a life and death struggle with little time to party:'-( ..There are a lot of things that people can do to combat this clear danger TO OUR FAMILY..First and formost is to resolve to end the bickering that gays engage in..Our differences are not that great..Forming GSA s in school are a good start..Our enemy feeds on fear and ignorance.Fear is the basis for hate and misunderstanding,our enemy MUST NOT KNOW that we fear them nor hate them.They are the abomination and live outside of GOD.Hate or dislike rob as you will,but if history were to repeat itself,there would surely be a lot of gnashing of teeth..Think that a second holicast cant happen?? Foolish people ,think again...rob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mr. Phelps came to my town last year to preach his crap. Somehow he managed to get a permit from the city mext to mine. A city I might add that has many "happy" people in it.
Some of my friends and I got together in a symbolic gesture and washed the sidewalk where he was to "Wash away the hate". Our little stunt made the local paper and I was so proud to have had a small part in it.
Wash away the hate around you. It's the best we can hope to do.
Love to you all,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
We all have a voice inside us all.
It calls us before we fall... It's our soul, our conscience.
SOme people lose their soul, because that is the only way I can think of why people can preach hatred.
You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
New spin on Ten Commandments debate ignites in Casper
scfonrm
By SARAH COOKE
Associated Press Writer
CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) - An anti-gay preacher known for his fiery protests over slain University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard has thrown a wrench into another emotional issue in Shepard's hometown.
The city of Casper - like other communities across the country - is debating the fate of its Ten Commandments monument, which has sat in the corner of a city park for nearly 40 years.
The Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation last month asked Casper to remove the monument, citing recent legal decisions against similar monuments in Alabama and elsewhere.
Two weeks later, city officials got another letter, this one from the Rev. Fred Phelps, whose Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas has led protests in Casper and Laramie on the anniversary of Shepard's death since the gay college student was murdered in 1998.
Phelps told city officials he wanted to erect a second monument in the park declaring Shepard was in hell for being gay - saying the presence of the Ten Commandments means all monuments must be allowed.
''The Supreme Court has said powerfully that every park and every sidewalk in every city is deemed to be held in trust by the officials of that city as a public forum for robust debate of public issues,'' Phelps said. ''That's my pulpit. ... That park is ours as a forum for public debate.''
The request has complicated an already sticky debate and generated comments from people and organizations around the world.
''The suggestions we've been getting are all over the board, from removing the Ten Commandments to keeping it there and fighting,'' city manager Tom Forslund said. ''But there's a strong consensus in the community that no one wants Phelps' hate monument or message of hate in our community, whether it's on park land or on private land.''
The council will explore three options at a special meeting Tuesday evening.
One involves giving the Ten Commandments monument back to the Fraternal Order of the Eagles, which donated it to Casper in 1965, and rejecting Phelps' request.
Another would keep the monument and reject Phelps' request, while a third would remove the monument and place it in a new plaza on city property that would include a number of historical documents.
The first option is unpopular with a large segment of the population and the second would almost certainly lead to litigation.
The third, a political science professor says, also violates the Constitution and is not a viable solution.
''It will help if the other documents are of a secular nature, but you still run into religious problems,'' University of Wyoming professor Michael Horan said.
The simplest solution, Horan said, is to remove the monument.
In a decision last year, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that any city displaying a Ten Commandments monument on city property must also allow monuments of other religious or political groups. To do otherwise implies ''a city is backing (the Ten Commandments),'' Horan said.
Phelps, 73, is using the decision to back his argument, and says another possible solution - banning all private monuments from the park - would infringe on his right to free speech.
His monument - which cost $15,000 and will be completed in three weeks - will bear a bronze placard with Shepard's portrait and an inscription reading: ''Matthew Shepard entered hell October 12, 1998, at age 21 in defiance of God's warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22.''
Phelps said he chose Casper as the site for the 6-foot-tall granite monument because it is where Shepard learned it is ''OK to be gay.''
''It is not a healthy lifestyle,'' he said. ''It is not an innocent alternate lifestyle. It is a monstrous sin against God that has serious consequences, including going to hell when you die.''
Phelps said he will buy private land for the monument or sue the city if it tries to keep him out of the park.
Sarah McMullen, a spokeswoman for Shepard's mother, Judy, declined comment other than to say ''The Shepards and the entire community of Casper have chosen to confront Mr. Phelps' reprehensible behavior with silence.''
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
What God does this man worship?
You know, smith, I find myself asking that same question every time I hear of his machinations; and the only answer I can come up with is the Anti-Christ himself.
You may have heard the case of a group of football players from a high school in New York who had attended a football camp in Pennsylvania during the summer; and while at camp, three of the older players allegedly sodomized three freshman players. The "Reverend" Phelps sent a delegation from his church in Topeka, Kansas (led by his "charming" wife Marge) to protest in front of that school on Monday. Why? Well, it seems that high school is one of those which maintains a gay/str8 awareness and support group; and through their convoluted reasoning the Phelps crowd has determined that by thus teaching that there's nothing wrong with (and thereby everyting good about) homosexuality, those high school players believed they were doing nothing wrong. This delegation was supposed to number 100 "people"; but for some reason that number totalled exactly 8: four adults and four children (each of those children clearly much younger than 10). It made me wonder about what Jesus had in mind when he said, "Suffer the little children to come unto me,": did he want for them to carry signs saying "God hates fags", "God blew up the space shuttle" and "God hates America", as these children were made to do (somehow, I think not)? Teaching such hatred to children (especially to children so young) is nothing less than child abuse of the most foul kind.
On the positive side, though: across the street was a group of about 200 counter-protestors (only about half of which was made up of gay rights activists, the rest coming from among the faculty and students from that high school and their parents) who made it quite clear that the Phelps crowd and their evil were most unwelcome.
I hope the people of Laramie, Wyoming send them a similar message in no uncertain terms by preventing the placement of that monument to hate.
As I type this, I approach the end of my "day", a time when I usually make myself a little "midnight" snack; however, like the rest of you, the very thought of the Phelps crowd (I refuse to call them a church) makes me want to throw up. My apologies for being so graphic.
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I understand and appreciate those feelings (and indeed I must confess that a part of me can't help but feel the same way); but in the long run it would end up being most counter-productive. For one thing, it would lower whoever did that to the same level of slime as Phelps and his followers; and for another, it would just give more fuel to their fire in that they can point to that as being yet another example of how truly evil homosexuals are. I hope nobody gives them that opportunity.
Fear not. If there is indeed a life after this one in which true justice rules, then Matthew Shepard is already with the angels, and Phelps and his ilk will soon find the tables turned on them.
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I have no idea why I posted that...
Sometimes, I guess, something strikes a nerve, and I react very very sharply.
You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
|
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
A gut reaction feels right at the time.
Just like killing the man who raped your child seems right.
But, to live in a society we consent to be governed by those whom we elect to make laws which we consent to obey.
Tempting as it is to remove all from the world who are obviously harmful and incorrect, it is such a two edged sword that it must never be unsheathed. It was not that long ago that a particularly evil Austrian painter ruled an oppressive regime in a different Germany and condemned all those who disagreed with them to mass destruction.
More recently Kosovo etc.
Currently Middle Eastern Extremists.
Previously Witches, Catholics, Protestants, French nobility, Socialist dissidents.......
And what if Phelps had his way and cleanesed all those who did not hold with his views? What then?
So the gut reaction must be tempered with common sense. Which I believe you have already seen. One may support, briefly, the thought that is over the edge. One must then look at it and determine whether it is wisdom or dangerous lunacy to continue to support it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
|
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
It is quite possibly an illegal act to suggest the killing of a citizen going about his legitimate business. It is more likely to be illegal since the suggestion of method is there, with instructions about the ammunition.
I will not be deleting this post since it would be construed as concealing evidence should the man in question be killed in this or a similar manner.
Detesting a human being is one thing. Canvassing for his death is quite a different thing and I deprecate it.
This message should be read by all who hold a similar view to the poster about ways of handling Mr Phelps
[Updated on: Tue, 28 October 2003 13:51]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
violence begetting violence solves nothing, only perpetuates. to react with the same thing that killed matthew (hate) won't get us anywhere.
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Killing another, no matter how we seem to justify it is wrong, plain wrong. People like Phelps can only be dealt with when we as a community stand up and declare with all our might "we have had enough hate and predjudice".
Understand that people like him, while they do exsist are a much smaller minority than we are. The difference really is the media that gives his voice a forum to spread that hate. All of us here see articles about him and we read them, so the paper and TV will print it, for no other reason than sensationalism.
Further down in this thread I suggest a method of peaceful protest of his hate. I also think that each time one of us "comes out" to the people we care about, and we are accepted and loved anyway, Phelps's possible influence in this world decreases. Think about it, a Mom that is told her son is gay is shocked at first. Later she begins to accept that her son is gay. Many times, the same Mom will eventually become something of an activist herself, standing against the hate she would otherwise have ignored as "someone elses problem". The problem was brought home to her in a very real way. Mathew Sheppards Mom is just one example of this. Each of us have the power to change the minds of many people that touch our lives, not just our Moms. Each of us really do make that little difference that will make his kind irrelevant.
Look around at our family here at APOS. So many wonderful people each making a difference in the world slowly, at our own pace, but making a difference nontheless. I am proud of you guys (and gals) here. I am honored to be a small part of a larger group that does not even know that we are doing our part. It really is a great thing.
*Kevin steps down from the soapbox*
Thanks for listening.
Go out and love someone today, it's better than killing.
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
robert bryce
|
|
Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 414
|
|
|
Such was suggested as to be used as birthday candles to celebrate how much the man is loved while others *party on* and more matthew Sheppards die..r
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
robert bryce
|
|
Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 414
|
|
|
I would be glad to sheath my claws if the expression *party on dudes* were removed from this board as that is offensive and uncaring..Not too much to ask people please drop that expression .........rob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
|
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
You will make no conditions here. You will behave or go.
I have now had enough of all of the behaviours you exhibit except the caring one.
You show behaviours that are aggressive, divisive, insulting, puerile and so much else besides. And this, now, is enough.
It is time either to live in peace with all the others here or to go.
[Updated on: Tue, 28 October 2003 15:42]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
timmy
|
|
Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
|
|
|
27,000 signatures. Today 33,000.
Yet in Phelps's mind all the people who signed are going to burn in hell. Regrattable, but true. yet sign it, post thsi elsewhere, and get others to sign it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
That must have been quite a "Lady Macbeth" experience for you and your companions, Kevin. It certainly gives new meaning to "Out! Out, damned spot!"
I just hope you used lots and lots and lots of disinfectant on that sidewalk; it was in dire need of it.
Congratulations!
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Phelps and his fiends don't seem to mind that they'll be awfully lonely in heaven.
Oh, are they ever in for a big surprise!
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Town Votes Tonight On Anti-Gay Statue
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: October 28, 2003 11:17 a.m. ET
(Casper, Wyoming) The Casper, Wyoming City Council will meet tonight to decide what to do about a statue condemning Matthew Shepard to "burn in hell".
City Manager Tom Forslund said the city is "repulsed" by the proposal, by anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps, to place the 6-foot-tall granite monument in a downtown park. (story) "There is no one that wants the Phelps' hate message placed here," he told the Rocky Mountain News.
The monument would bear a plaque showing Shepard engulfed in flames with the words: Matthew Shepard - Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."
Shepard, who grew up in Casper was viciously beaten near Laramie where he was attending college. He was tied to a fence overnight on cold prairie back road and died several days later in a Fort Collins hospital at the age of 21.
Forslund said the council members have pledged to reject the statue. But, that may be easier said than done.
The park where Phelps wants to erect the monument already has a statue of the Ten Commandments. After a court battle over a similar monument in the city of Ogden, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that any city that displays a Ten Commandments monument on public property must also allow monuments espousing the views of other religions or political groups on that same property.
Casper has few options. It could go to court, but lawyers familiar with the Ogden case say Phelps would probably win. The city could remove the Ten Commandments monument. One proposal would see the Ten Commandments moved to private land owned by the Fraternal Order Of Eagles, which donated it to the city in the 1960s.
"We don't want to move it, but we don't want Phelps' hate spread through the city," said Herschel Nickerson, secretary for the Eagles. "I don't think their monument would last very long. Fred Phelps cannot put himself above the Lord as judge."
That would prevent Phelps from placing the monument in the park, but Phelps says that won't deter him. In a letter to council, Phelps said that if he is rebuffed by the city he will buy land downtown for the statue. On private property, there would be nothing to prevent the erection of the monument.
"Casper is the epicenter and fountain of gay experiences," Phelps told the Rocky Mountain News from his Topeka home. "We know the way to the courthouse door, and we have not been accused ever of being broke."
Phelps said he would not be at tonight's meeting.
"Casper has no business saying anything," Phelps said. "Casper bore Matthew Shepard and they raised him and they said it was OK to be gay."
But, Forslund says there is no way the monument will go up on city land.
"There is no way this kind of hate would be allowed," Forslund said. "There is no division here."
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Don't know exactly who this Shepard guy is or what he did- but I don't think there is anyone in this world who has the right to do such a thing! > In fact, I don't think God would favor the crazy idea! God cares so much for everyone whoever they maybe and whatever they've done.
He's totally out of his right mind! > He's a Rev. for crying out loud! Whatever happened to preaching and spreading peace and love? Sheeesh! As if his over-homophobic (and out-of-place) behavior isn't enough- he's gonna erect a monument?!!!
That's low. Worse, it's not human.
Only God can judge us. Let the time come.
Who does this Phelps guy think he is?:'-( :'-( :-[
"The worst way of missing someone is to be sitting right next to them knowing you can't have them." To Stephen Tsang, wherever you are.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I am very seldom angered deeply by issues or other's stupidity, but this subject just pisses me right off.
I have issues with this not only because it is just damned wrong, but also because this guy deserves to be beaten as well if he believes Matthew deserved what he got. (The Bible also teaches and eye for an eye, right?)
This makes me want to get a group of investors and politicians together and erect an enormous phallic statue in rainbow colors in the same park, and then get a group of us who are truly loving individuals together to go surround this dude's church and sing 'Kumbaya'.
*Any takers????*
BamBam
Celebrate your life... embrace your love... Become intimate with your place in forever !!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CASPER, Wyo. (AP) - The City Council decided Tuesday to move a controversial Ten Commandments monument out of a park and into a plaza that will honor a variety of historic documents.
The 5-4 vote followed a unanimous rejection of an offer by the Rev. Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., to place his own monument in the park.
Phelps has been calling for a monument declaring that Matthew Shepard, a gay University of Wyoming student who was murdered in October, 1998, went to hell because of his sexual orientation. Shepard's murder sparked a nationwide outcry for hate-crimes legislation.
Phelps threatened to sue if the city did not comply with his demand. Meanwhile, the city was threatened last month with a lawsuit from the Freedom From Religion Foundation, of Madison, Wis., if it did not remove the Ten Commandments monument from City Park.
The monument has been in the park since 1965, when it was donated to the city by the Fraternal Order of Eagles.
Those who voted for the monument plaza plan included Mayor Barb Peryam, who said that is where the Ten Commandments monument belongs.
''And for those outsiders who think they can run our city, I say, 'Thank you, thank you very, very much.' Because, you know what, if you think that we are going to put our monument someplace in cold storage, I've got another thought for you. We are going to put it where it will be more noticed, more taken advantage of and used for learning purposes by all families,'' she said.
''If we are going to be taken to court for this action, then so be it,'' she added. ''Bring it on, because this is a battle I firmly believe we can win.''
However, neither Dan Barker, of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, nor Shirley Phelps-Roper, of the Westboro Baptist Church, shared Peryam's assessment of the city's chances in court.
''It looks like a ruse; it looks like a trick for them to keep it,'' Barker said. ''It would probably be unconstitutional because the intention of the city is to maintain a religious document. The reason they are doing that is to keep the Ten Commandments.''
Phelps-Roper also felt the decision is unconstitutional.
''What they have done is a thinly veiled attempt to do an end run around the Constitution,'' she said. ''What they did here was try to create a way to avoid having to deal what the 10th Circuit said they must do.''
The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year, in the case of Summan v. Ogden, that a city which displays a Ten Commandments monument must also display monuments espousing more unpopular beliefs.
Barker was unable to say what his organization's next move on the matter of Casper's Ten Commandments will be. Phelps-Roper said her church will examine its options, including litigation.
City Manager Tom Forslund said the Ten Commandments monument will probably be removed from City Park and placed in temporary storage some time in the next month.
The plan for the historic plaza is based on one implemented by Grand Junction, Colo. The plaza withstood a legal challenge from the American Civil Liberties Union in 2001.
The Ten Commandments will be joined in the new plaza by monuments honoring the Declaration of Independence, the preamble of the Constitution and other documents vital to the historic development of American law, Forslund said.
Design work on the historic plaza is expected to begin this winter and bidding should take place next spring. The new monuments for the plaza are expected to cost $4,500-$5,500 each.
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I doubt that would do much, except maybe give the thing an annurism or a heart-attack, maybe. But hey, if you REALLY want to do it...
You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
smith, thanks for that web address. I read the article and some of the links... and cried most of the whole time. When my son asked why I was crying, I just showed him the article. He read it and said nothing more, but had a very sad look on his face.
This article has changed my life. So have you by helping me find it. You are a great person, in my eyes.
May you forever find peace in your heart and soul.
BamBam
Celebrate your life... embrace your love... Become intimate with your place in forever !!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
smith
|
|
On fire! |
Registered: January 1970
Messages: 1095
|
|
|
the two men are in prison facing 2 consecutive life sentences and their girlfriends went to prison too........but maybe even sadder than those horrible people are the ones who made the float in the parade **all in innocent fun**. The killers had hatred in their hearts/the college kids thought it was funny. I don't know which is worse.
There is a statement in that article:
Why is homosexuality even an issue? Why does it excite such feelings of hatred and violence in people, when their lives will never be touched by it? Why is a person's sexuality anyone else's business; and who are we to judge other people?
smith :'-(
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All good questions smith. It really shouldn't matter, like it shouldn't matter what color you are, or how you choose to worship. Mybe someday it wont, that is what I hope for.
Peace and love,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
|
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
|
] 
A Place of Safety
Search
Help
Register
Login
Home
anti-memorial.... 
Re: anti-memorial.... 
Yut 
That Phelps guy is nuts! 
