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icon8.gif A little something I want all of you here to ruminate over.  [message #19260] Tue, 13 January 2004 16:30 Go to next message
The Gay Deceiver is currently offline  The Gay Deceiver

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PLEASE NOTE: In a separate e-Mail to the Board Admiminstrator, I'm asking him to "lock" this thread so that there may be no discussion of what you're about to read.

I simply want each, and everyone, of us to take pause and consider for a moment or two what I'm about to say. Nothing more, and nothing less. NO OUTRAGE please. No PROTRACTED dialogue. No FURTHER diatribes. Just sit back and "think", and consider is all.

Firstly, we have a new Member here; his name is Al. He joined us the other day. There was a time, and that was not too long ago I might add, that within minutes of his having signed on, and announced his arrival, Al would have been innundated with our "Good Wishes and Benediction".

Lenny, I do note here that you alone this morning noticed our collective bad manners, and have attempted to rectify this.

Now, to say what I wanted to say, and then I'll fade away for a time until the next time.

In the past few days controversy has again reared its' ugly head here at A Place Of Safety. I have to ask myself "Why?"; and "Why repeatedly?"; and "Why must it always get to the point where elements of the Membership of this Community become so alienated, and so frustrated, that they consider they have no other recourse but to leave?"

We all err in our judgements from time to time. Lord knows I do it, and have done so often enough in the past.

Timmy recently raised a "valid" point about abusive behaviour through other media, arising out of circumstances here at A Place Of Safety; and how threatening, and hurtful this may be. It is to this issue, that I address my comments. I know where of he speaks. I have experienced this from some of you, and believe me when I say, I do understand the pain and the sense of anguish the most recent victim is feeling.

Not quite a year ago, I was swamped with hateful, spiteful and downright vicious e-Mail because of my involvement in an effort to bring succur and comfort to one of our Membership who lay mangeled and near death in a hospital bed in the English midlands. The e-Mail, and to some degree, the IM contacts were so odious that I backed away immediately; both from the others associated in our bid to aid our ailing friend, and from all ongoing involvement here. This was further acerbated by a misunderstanding that developed between I and one of our youngest participants here. He apologised, but although accepted, the damage had already been done, and I no longer felt welcomed here at all anymore; not do I now, nor likely will I ever again. Whilst I have from time to time returned, and have often *posted* on those occasions should a particular thread have warranted my attention, I have had little or no contact with anyone else here, save four people (and they know who they are) for nearly 6-months.

I have retreated entirely from the internet; logging-in daily to do e-Mail, but not much else. Ask those four. They can tell you how often they "see" anywhere. My contact with them is ongoing, but usually either by telephone or e-mail. I have no active internet interaction with them, or with anyone else. Not anymore. Enduring friendships can be made here. I've made them. Others here too will have done so, and will do so in the future. Too, there is a great deal of anger here, and it clouds so much of what has been, and could be, accomplished on behalf of, and by our collected community.

Unlike many of you, I am who I am. I do not hide behind a pseudonym. I have never felt that need. To those of you who I do, I understand your need to do so, and it doesn't trouble me. Where this becomes germain to the topic at hand is that I am a "public" target; and a target I became.

Now hear me well, and please take heed:

"It is my wish, in this the dawning of a NEW YEAR, that collectively we put behind us all our past issues with one another; wrap them all up in plain brown-paper, tie them securely with parcelling-cord, and hang them in a closet somewhere, where we can promptly forget their existence and we'll never have to bring them down, unwrap them, and look upon them again. Bury them once for all time, and move forward from this day, and commence a new beginning."

Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada

2004.01.13 11:28 Hrs EST



"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
So sayeth thou from the mount....  [message #19261 is a reply to message #19260] Tue, 13 January 2004 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Protracted dialogue,,,,,,

Lets ignore the bulk and hit on an issue......

Choice of how one is to be named on the board, and not to be named......

And when that choice is taken away......

Just touching on a point here......

Marc....... who prefers to keep his name private...... or prefered



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
icon5.gif The provocative tone in your post does not help.  [message #19268 is a reply to message #19261] Tue, 13 January 2004 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lenny is currently offline  lenny

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Marc,
We've been OVER this ground already, and to the best of my knowledge it ended with the previous thread getting deleted. Everybody knows everybody else's opinions; no need to go over ground already covered. Enough's enough, mmkay? Smile



"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."

-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
Re: The provocative tone in your post does not help.  [message #19269 is a reply to message #19268] Tue, 13 January 2004 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Lenny, Dahhhhhhling.....

Everyone but the indominable Warren C.E. Austin that is.

Until I get an appology either in public or private, it matters not which... I will beat this dead horse to mahburger and back again....

It was not your privacy that was violated.... therefore your opinion holds little weight.

Huggs and kisses... Now go and take some nice pics for us to see.

Marc

Oh.... P.S.
The graphic is NOT at all funny.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
You know, I am very much my own man  [message #19277 is a reply to message #19260] Tue, 13 January 2004 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
admin is currently offline  admin

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I accept suggestions, such as posting as moderator, (well administrator), but I tend not to accept requests to lock threads immediately after they have been posted. I have done this myself, but for a specific purpose, which was to draw a line under something and to allow the post to migrate south for the winter.

You see such an action gives an air of the pulpit to a post, and I am not about to giv epulpit space to any preacher of any faith.

Warren, we will consider your words. Some of them have been interpreted in another way. I wish you had not made that particular point, for it degraded the remainder and removed the ability of many to read it.

Much of what you say has validity. Some does not.

The thread remains, though I will KILL any parts which become abusive and do so at my sole discretion
icon6.gif To the Administrator .... and the rest ...  [message #19314 is a reply to message #19277] Wed, 14 January 2004 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kevin is currently offline  kevin

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Keep on keepin on.

You do a great job. Though I wish it was made to be easier for you.

To the rest:

Some disagree, those that do should say so once and let it go. For crying out loud. State your view and l-e-t i-t g-o. Timmy has enough trouble keeping this place for all of us. Please don't make it harder on him.

This is my plea to all,

Kevin



"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
Re: To the Administrator .... and the rest ...  [message #19320 is a reply to message #19314] Wed, 14 January 2004 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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From one of the rest....

Just as I said earlier....

This is my business.... and it is a corpse that I will grind to pulp and back until I get satisfaction....

Now I will go back to waiting for that appology....>Sad



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
icon5.gif Apology for what?  [message #19340 is a reply to message #19320] Thu, 15 January 2004 06:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kevin is currently offline  kevin

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"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19344 is a reply to message #19340] Thu, 15 January 2004 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Appology for placing my full name on the message board without my forknowledge or permission.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19350 is a reply to message #19344] Thu, 15 January 2004 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kevin is currently offline  kevin

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Oh, I've been there already.

No one said sorry to me either.

But what can I do?

Being outed about who you are happens in many ways. This is just one more.

Peace out *Kevin holds up two fingers*

Kevin



"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19351 is a reply to message #19350] Thu, 15 January 2004 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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This was to me something important.

If it means nothing to you then that is your business.

Do not presume to make light of it. Your "cute" act doesnt float.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
icon7.gif Re: Apology for what?  [message #19353 is a reply to message #19351] Thu, 15 January 2004 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kevin is currently offline  kevin

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Remeber we are not arguing here.

No need to insult.

And if I don't float, they will burn me as a witch.

*Kiss Kiss*

Kevin

:-*



"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19354 is a reply to message #19353] Thu, 15 January 2004 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Your continuing insistance that my opinion of how I should and should not be as you say "outed" online is an insult.

It was important to me. Personally and professionally.

That I should take exception to someone taking it upon himself to violate MY annonimity here should be of no concern to you on any level.

It matters not one iota to me that it doesn't bother you that your full name was presented.

This is about me, the level of personal security I choose to present.

I am not making insults. I am stating facts.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19357 is a reply to message #19354] Thu, 15 January 2004 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
xcboi02 is currently offline  xcboi02

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Marc, I don't know what the thread is, and you don't have to tell me what it is, as far as I can see is you're upset that somoene posted your personal full name on the board. Maybe it was wrong, well it is wrong for someone to do that. However, by continuing to publicly ask for an apology will only raise tension in the board. it is better off to talk (amiably,do not get mad at the author) that you didn't like that he posted your name on the board. My common sense would say he would apologize, and the situation is over. You have said that you don't care whether it's private or public. Realize that he is only going to willing to talk to you if you are not aggressive about your approach. Just let the person know in private, as he probably knows now, that you didn't like the fact that he posted your full name. Hopefully you two can get things worked out and this issue can be behind us. You don't need to be so adamant and loud about this, as it's only just causing more tension. I understand you're upset, but the issue at hand is between you and the person. Remember, the issue will only resolve if you guys talk at least somewhat on neutral terms. If the private talk gets heated, remember, you will only go in circles. Try to get things worked out so that this issue does not keep popping up. That's my opinion. Marc, I understand your point of view, but the issue that you're talking about is a personal issue to be dealt with the person who did it. Be neutral, and don't let emotions take over you. Have a good day and good luck getting this resolved.
Al
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19360 is a reply to message #19357] Thu, 15 January 2004 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Oh I am not upset.... I already know I will not get an appology from the miscreant.

I am a bit unhappy because some think this to be nothing....

But I can live with unhappy....



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Apology for what?  [message #19369 is a reply to message #19354] Thu, 15 January 2004 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaman is currently offline  jaman

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Get over it.
It's called Life, it happens.



You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
If it helps...  [message #19370 is a reply to message #19360] Thu, 15 January 2004 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaman is currently offline  jaman

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If it helps,
I have NO idea what your surname is.
As far as I'm concerned, it maight as well be Beaujolais or Pinot Noir



You said when you'd die that you'd walk with me every day
And I'd start to cry and say please don't talk that way
With the blink of an eye the Lord came and asked you to meet
You went to a better place but He stole you away from me
Re: If it helps...  [message #19371 is a reply to message #19370] Thu, 15 January 2004 14:04 Go to previous message
marc is currently offline  marc

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Wouldn't it be nice to have a wine named after you?

Hmmmmmmmm......

Like Rothchild.....

or Dom Perignot....



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