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www. godhatesfags. com absolutely VILE. Right wings to the core... im almost sick
Is their ingnorence and arrogance funny? Or is their firm belief something to cry in shame for?
[I have edited this to make the link not be a link. I see no reason to raise the site's profile by actually lionking to it! - timmy]
[Updated on: Wed, 21 December 2005 09:37] by Moderator
A truth told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent
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The ignorance and arrogance is funny. The fact that they believe too strongly in it, and seek power, isn't. But well, it's a case of "I am a christian, a CHRISTIAN, you hear?!... Lady, you are not a christian, you're an idiot."
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Fred Phelps and his clan are, or will be, a positive force in gay rights. When they demonstrate somewhere, which happens weekly, large groups of folks will usually come out to counter demonstrate. Those who are anti gay will often look at these people and think "do I look that stupid?"
Anyway to lighten the mood, go here:
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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cossie
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... because the possibility of these morons holding the balance of power in the USA is uncomfortably real. I think you should probably cry over dinner on a daily basis, unless you begin with a prawn cocktail, in which case hysterical laughter is permitted.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... instead of the bottom response? I always respond better to bottoms!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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... Yum, yum!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Location: USA
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Not only should you cry, but I shall join you!
So much hate proclaimed and spread, in the name of He Who Is All Loving.
If Jesus where to return today, I have no doubt that those same people would cruxify him all over again.
My only consolation is that in the end, I am in very good company!
:-[
"A Friend; is a gift you give yourself!"
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1.) For a group so contingent and dependant on scripture, they should do well to read the Parable of the Tares (sp), which basically compares people to crops and weeds and ultimately makes the assertion that we should leave the "weeding" to God and that it will occur when the crops are harvested (judgment day).
2.) Basically, Godhatesfags.com is a reaction-driven site, as is evidenced by their title - an intentionally offensive moniker, meant to ilicit a gut-reaction. Though it is unfortunate that in a tolerant society, we must tolerate intolerance, I would not pay this group much credence; I doubt their member-base is growing at any rate (alarming or otherwise).
viðrar vel til loftárása
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What a name! Godhatesfags.com! Unless someone is making a fast buck out of the no doubt thousands who are easily deluded, I can't see the point in it obviously. I'm afraid I don't give a lot of creedance to the Old Testament, and certainly as far as I know there's nowhere in the New Testament that says 'God Hates Fags'. Jesus never said that as far as we're aware, and he was Chief Spokesperson I guess.
I haven't been in touch with God as much as I might recently, and I certainly haven't had any hate mail off him, postal or electronic - now that would be a first - God.com
All I can do is feel sorry for these people who do not 'Love their neighbours as themselves'. So who's breaking commandments now? Who is worse? The perverts or them? I'm beginning to wonder.
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...It's a joke. I looked into it, and there's a very telling "Q&A" section, which shows the site for what it is: a poorly-executed joke. That's all.
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Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church are very real and since they operate the web site, the site needs to be taken seriously.
The "church" (more of a cult really) is made up of Phelps, his kids, their kids and anyone unfortunate enough to have married into the family.
The main funtion of the church is spreading hate. Lately they have been protesting at the funerals of military personel killed in Iraq. They have made their living on protesting anything gay: High schools with a GSA, any school play with a gay theme, funerals of gay people (remember Matthew Shepard).
Luckily, people have started to see these people for what they are.
Do a Google search of "Fred Phelps" or "Westboro Baptist Church" and you should be able to find pictures of some of their protests. Or just go here ( http://www.godhatesfags.com/photos/thisyear.html ) if you have a strong stomach.
These people are NOT a joke, they are VERY real......and yes, they are based in Kansas.
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timmy
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The gene pool seems to be very shallow in Kansas, though the dinosaur article was a satire!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I feel physically sick. I have read the chapter on beatings. Why is this man not in jail?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Why are they not in jail? Very simple. With rare exemptions (like Father Daniel Berrigan, who did time in the Danbury, Connecticut USA Federal Penitentiary for actively protesting the Vietnam War), it seems all clergy in the United States (especially those of a "reactionary" rather than "progressive" nature) are exempt from the law (or at least seem to be), simpoy because they are "good Christians". Like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, or that kooky "Focus on the Family" guru James Dobson (the one who recently told the men of his flock that if they want to keep their sons from turning gay they should take showers with them and play with their penises). These psychos are all descendants of Leviticus.
As for not knowing whether to laugh or cry, E.J., I definitely hear you. Like many, the first I ever heard of that vile inbreeder Fred Phelps was when he an his incestuous spawn protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral. I doubt that I've ever been more disgusted in my life. As you suggest, I guess the only thing we can hold on to is that they indeed end up being their own worst enemy.
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
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These people protested at the funerals of two solders who were killed in Iraq. Im not as smart as most of you, but that was very very wrong. These soldiers didnt even have anything to do with gay people. Im not big on the bible but I know one part "woe unto Those shephards who have led my sheep astray"
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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My friend Ron wrote:
Why are they not in jail? Very simple... it seems all clergy in the United States (especially those of a "reactionary" rather than "progressive" nature) are exempt from the law (or at least seem to be), simpoy because they are "good Christians". Like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ... these psychos are all descendants of Leviticus.
I have extracted some passages from a very long article by "award winning Palestinian American columnist, author and standup comedian, Ray Hanania". I think they are relevant to this disucssion.
... Pat Robertson ... said the brain hemorrhage of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is God’s punishment for “dividing” the Land of Israel and compromising with the Palestinians... Robertson made similar comments about Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was murdered by an Israeli extremist. And he continues to blast all those who urge compromise and non-violence as a basis for a Middle East peace accord. Robertson is typical of American racists who exploit the Arab-Israeli conflict for personal gain. Their support sustains American foreign policy and conservative leaders like President Bush. In reality, Robertson and the Christian fundamentalists are worse than the Islamic extremists that they, Bush and other American conservatives constantly attack. Robertson is a Christian ayatollah. His equivalent of suicide bombing is his “suicide bombast.” I am certain that if Christian fundamentalists in America were to ever find themselves in the same situation as the Palestinians, for example, they would defend suicide bombing as a “justified” form of combat... Moderate Christians and Jews believe that all people who believe in the “One God,” be they Christian, Muslim or Jews, will go to heaven. Fundamentalist Christians, however, believe that only those who embrace their interpretation of religion will go to Heaven. Similarly, extremist Muslims also believe that those who do not embrace Islam will not be saved, and that includes all Christians, all Jews and even secular Muslims, too. Many Christians constantly criticize this Islamic view, but their silence on the ignorance of Robertson and other Christian Evangelical ayatollahs is deafening. Their silence is the real sin, the true violation of Christian belief... Although the Christian Evangelists claim to pray for Judgment Day, they are the ones who should fear it most. Like all tyrants, demagogues and dictators, Christian fundamentalists do not practice what they preach. They don’t believe God will really come down to judge mankind. But they do know that the fear of that Judgment Day allows them to more easily control their followers and, more importantly, fill their pockets with more money and accumulate power...
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Mr. Hanania is spot-on (if an American is allowed an attempt at a "Britishism"). Thanks, JFR!
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
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Actually, one country, at least, has started doing what Ron suggested - telling Robertson to take his money and go to hell:
Israel won't do business with Pat Robertson after the U.S. Christian Evangelist said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke was divine punishment for Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, an official said Wednesday, placing a USD 50 million deal with the Christian leader in doubt.
Robertson, a Christian broadcaster, is leading a group of evangelicals who have collected money to build a Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.
Israel was to provide the land and infrastructure for the project, saying it would bring millions of tourism dollars into the country. But the project now is in doubt in light of Robertson's comments, said Ido Hartuv, spokesman for Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson.
"We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments," Hartuv said. "We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him."
A day after Sharon's stroke on Jan. 4, Robertson suggested it was punishment for "dividing God's land," a reference to Israel's August pullout from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements. "God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says 'this is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine."'
Robertson's comments infuriated Israel, and drew condemnation from other Christian leaders and even U.S. President George W. Bush. "We can't accept this kind of statement," Hartuv said.
Robertson's Christian Heritage Center was to be tucked away in 35 acres (14 hectares) of rolling Galilee hills, near key Christian sites such as Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where tradition says Jesus delivered the Sermon of the Mount, and Tabgha - on the shores of the Sea of Galilee - where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.
Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free. Hirschson predicted it would annually draw up to 1 million pilgrims who would spend USD 1.5 billion in Israel and support about 40,000 jobs. Hirschson, however, is one of Sharon's biggest supporters, and a member of the centrist Kadima party recently founded by the prime minister.
Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project, but only with people who don't back Robertson's statements. "We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery... are welcome to do business with us," Hartuv said.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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The attachment at the bottom is a bit graphic and you may not want to read it.
Fringe group plans Sago protest
Justin D. Anderson
Daily Mail Staff
Members of a small Kansas group that proclaims hatred for homosexuals plan to show up with protest signs outside a service for the Sago miners on Sunday at West Virginia Wesleyan University.
Members of what is called the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka have gained national notoriety for such picketing at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq.
The fringe group is already circulating fliers announcing the protest, reading: "Judgment in West Virginia! Thank God for His Outpoured Wrath and for 12 Dead Miners."
Shirley Phelps-Roper, 48, an attorney and member of the group, said members believe the miners perished because the people in Upshur County aren't living by God's laws.
"This is a generation that has raised their youths in the lie that it's OK to be gay," she opined.
Police in Buckhannon are advising citizens to ignore the group, but officers will be keeping a close eye on the protest that begins at noon.
"Logistically, we'll be ready," said Police Chief Matt Gregory.
Gregory issued a news release in an attempt to try to keep the peace.
"The best response to this group is no response at all," Gregory wrote. "Even though these people may be saying or displaying through signage what you believe to be the most detestable things, do not respond to them."
Phelps-Roper, whose father Fred Phelps founded the group in 1955, said she sent advance informational packets to nine law enforcement agencies in and around Buckhannon announcing their pending arrival. It is expected that 16 people will join the protest on the Wesleyan campus. Along with a one-page letter explaining the group's philosophy -- which essentially says that everyone not a member of their church is living wrong and destined for Hell -- she said she attached 59 documented threats the group has received from local citizens.
"Our job is to cause America to know her abominations," Phelp-Roper said during a telephone interview Monday.
"What we see sitting in Topeka is the hand of God punishing this nation."
© Copyright 2005 Charleston Daily Mail
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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I find it hard to see why the USA allows such things to happen. I cannot conceive of such a protest being allowed at all in the UK. I suspect one of our anti-hate laws could be bent into shape enough to remove those scum.
Interesting how they only choose high profile events, isn't it?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Pat Robertson APOLOGIZES and RECANTS!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/669070.html
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Freedom of speech is very important over here...even when the speech is hateful and bigoted. When you start outlawing words and thoughts you set a dangerous president.
even the police on your side of the ocean have been known to take things a bit too far::-) ::-)
"Student escapes prosecution over 'gay horse' remarks
12/01/2006 - 15:09:47
A final-year Oxford University student from Belfast who called a mounted policeman’s horse gay will not be prosecuted, it was announced today.
Police stood by their decision to take Sam Brown (aged 21) to court for making “homophobic comments” after the Crown Prosecution Service today dropped the case.
Mr Brown approached the officer during a night out with friends in Oxford after his final exams, and said: “Excuse me, do you realise your horse is gay?”
Moments later, two Thames Valley Police squad cars appeared in the High Street and Mr Brown was arrested under section five of the Public Order Act for making homophobic remarks.
His remarks were deemed likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress.
Mr Brown, an English Literature graduate, then at Oxford’s Balliol College, spent the night of May 30 last year in the cells.
He refused to pay an £80 (€117.10) fine, so police took the case to court.
But at Oxford Magisrates’ Court today it emerged the Crown Prosecution Service had chosen to discontinue the case.
Prosecutor Cariad Eveson-Webb said: “The police issued a summons but the CPS have decided they do not wish to proceed.
“In their opinion there is not enough evidence to prove it [Mr Brown’s behaviour] was disorderly.”
Thames Valley Police today defended their decision to take the case to court.
A spokesman said: “We present the case to the CPS and the CPS make the decision to proceed or not.
“He made homophobic comments that were deemed offensive to people passing by.”
He denied the police were heavy-handed, and claimed that Mr Brown was drunk and that he had made repeated comments about the horse being gay, despite requests from the officers to desist.
Matthew Williams (aged 21), a friend of Mr Brown, witnessed events last May.
He said Mr Brown jokingly approached one of two mounted policemen saying: “Excuse me, do you realise your horse is gay?”
Mr Brown then repeated: “Your horse is gay,“ he said.
Mr Williams, a fellow Oxford English Literature graduate, said the officer called for back-up and two squad cars appeared. Mr Brown was then arrested and taken to the station.
“Sam’s comments were said in jest. It was very clear that they were not homophobic,” he added."
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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I think the horse allegations were ludicrous! So, it6 seems, do the Crown Prosecution Service.
We may be going too far, but we have laws to outlaw encitement to hatred. It is likely that Phelps would come under those.
Freedom of speech is tempered by the need to speak with propriety and without inciting hatred.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Of course Pat Robertson recanted! The very thought of losing fifty million shekels, er, dollars, is enough to make any philistine change his tune.
Then again, this is far from being the first time his big mouth has gotten him into trouble, and blame it all on the "sinful". Philistine, indeed!
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
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cossie
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Hmmm. Well, first of all I have to admit that the article makes our police force seem rather stupid - and some of its members certainly are! - but I think newspaper reports of this kind need to be taken with a large pinch of salt. The student's behaviour may well have been much more objectionable than the article implies; let's face it, if he was pissed, his mates were probably equally pissed, and their supportive evidence doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that they are good mates! In any event, the CPS decided not to proceed with the case, though as most Brits are well aware, the CPS errs very much on the side of caution.
More seriously, there does seem to be a difference in the perception of 'freedom' between Europe and America. East of the Atlantic, we take the view that freedom is limited by responsibility; the freedom of one individual should not impinge upon the freedom of another. The fact that a person likes to enjoy loud music in the early hours of the morning does not entitle him to impose his preference upon those who are trying to sleep!
Similarly, whilst we subscribe to the doctrine that every man is entitled to express his opinion, however repugnant his view may be to the majority, we draw the line at invective which impinges on the rights and freedoms of those being attacked.
Absolute freedom is anarchic; if we wish to maintain any semblance of civilised social behaviour we must accept that we have obligations to our fellow men. Or don't you agree?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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