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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35160 is a reply to message #35158] Sun, 03 September 2006 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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The diabetes part is simple, I think. Itls a nasty shock, and a warning of mortality, but need not affect anything much in my life except (currently) what I eat.

The really confusing thing is the contradictory information. I need to "Raise my protein intake and lower my carbohydrate intake".

Diabetes dietary advice books say "Base all meals around starchy foods"

The doc says I must take benecol in roder to alter my cholesterol ratios (Diabetes affects the ratios too, it seems). The spread is fine. The yoghourts and drinklets are sugar packed, and I must avoid sugar.

I am currently easy to exhaust and I sweat when stressed or exhausted. This is a symptom of low bolood sugar. But mine is high.

So there is a lot to learn about and to master.

Yesterday I bought a finger prick blood tester. Apart from being very pleasantly surprised that it is almost painless (coward me!) I fond the instruction manual almost incomprehensible. And, despiet an effec of the illness to be a deterioration of eyesight, some of the things I need to read in order to use it are in 4 point type!

The weird thing is, while I know I am not "an emergency", I thought things would move faster after diagnosis. It seems to me to be important to get my lifestyle changes done reasonably fast in order to maximise the benefit. But I am to attend a clinic at some pointg in the future where any treatment will be started. "If you don't hear in a couple of weeks, give the doc a call". I know it is just a process for them, but it is more than that for me.



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35161 is a reply to message #35020] Sun, 03 September 2006 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Whitop is currently offline  Whitop

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Timmy,

An encouraging word from a Type II of some years and a torn meniscus survivor. I watched the operation on the TV monitor - helped pass the time and was fun, like a high wind in the laundry yard with rags on the lines and little scissors coming in from the edge of the screen clipping off the bottoms of the rags. Went through 2 gallons of saline 'wind'.

I'm lucky and Avandia and Metformin control the sugar (around 120) without insulin. Moving toward vegan diet helped but I drew the line at cheese! Some vegans do it without any medication. I eat cherry pie alamode etc fairly often and drinking unsweetened tea and coffee lets you be picky about the flavor of the beverage itself. Life continues to be very enjoyable.

Cheers, Mac
Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35162 is a reply to message #35160] Sun, 03 September 2006 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Whitop is currently offline  Whitop

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Timmy,

An encouraging word from a Type II of some years and a torn meniscus survivor. I watched the operation on the TV monitor - helped pass the time and was fun, like a high wind in the laundry yard with rags on the lines and little scissors coming in from the edge of the screen clipping off the bottoms of the rags. Went through 2 gallons of saline 'wind'.

I'm lucky and Avandia and Metformin control the sugar (around 120) without insulin. Moving toward vegan diet helped but I drew the line at cheese! Some vegans do it without any medication. I eat cherry pie alamode etc fairly often and drinking unsweetened tea and coffee lets you be picky about the flavor of the beverage itself. Life continues to be very enjoyable.

Cheers, Mac
Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35163 is a reply to message #35161] Sun, 03 September 2006 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Thanks. I had the right knee done a few years ago, so I also know what I am in for. In so many ways the need for surgery is a blessing in disguise coz it picked up the sugar. I think the thing that got to me was the casual imparting of the information to me by the nurse.

The good news is that once the knee is better I can get back to the gym. Currently it even hurts when I swim - not comfy at all.

No meds sorted out yet, so I have just started to look at diet with no real advice available except internet research and cookbooks. My issue is that I don't have much inthe diet to change. I major on whit emeat and fish, I spuuose carbs are a little too high, saturated fats have been out for many years, and wek cook with olive oil. Alcohol is trivial amount and sodas are almost never.



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35164 is a reply to message #35160] Sun, 03 September 2006 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Timmy,

Sorry to hear about the sugar levels.

Just wondering - what were the symptoms that led you to being tested? Or was it just a routine check up?

I suspect that there will be many in this situation who are blissfully unaware (as you were until last week).
Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35165 is a reply to message #35161] Sun, 03 September 2006 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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Whitop wrote:

Moving toward vegan diet helped but I drew the line at cheese! Some vegans do it without any medication.

There is such a thing as vegan cheese. We buy it and to my jaded taste it's just like 'the real thing'.

I follow a vegan diet and I must say that my blood sugar level has started to plummet.

JFR



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35166 is a reply to message #35164] Sun, 03 September 2006 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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It was the mixed blessing of needing minor surgery, and a wee test before it as a matter of routine screening.

I suspect many are in the same situation, especially those whose Body Mass Index shows them to be obese. As you know I am tubby, but I am technically obese. Obesity, especially fat laid down at waist level, seems to assist diabetes to start.



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Cheese  [message #35167 is a reply to message #35165] Sun, 03 September 2006 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi JFR,

>There is such a thing as vegan cheese. We buy it and to my jaded taste it's just like 'the real thing'.

Out of interest, what's it made of?

David
Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35173 is a reply to message #35039] Sun, 03 September 2006 23:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry to see you have been diagnosed diabetic - you have my sympathy. My diabetic correspondents and my experiences tell me it is a highly idiosyncratic ailment. I checked in fifteen months ago with a blood sugar of 17. Within two months my readings were steadily under 7 and the A1Cs have been 7 - diet controlled. The principal controls were four regular meals, no snacks, and somewhat reduced volume which I measure by always leaving the table feeling a few more mouthfuls(?) would be good. I have not changed what I eat. It works for me, others experiment until they find their program. One morning I fell while picking cherries and that afternoon and evening the sugar tested 13 to 15, back to 6.5-7 the next morning. There was nothing else to account for the spike - not even a cute boy. My experience is that the people with diabetes know a great deal more about the condition than the experts without it. You will be over the initial reluctance to accept by now, and may you calmly and gently achieve control.

Someone mentioned the possibility of it being a genetic disorder. I am the only family member who had/has it, and my knowledge spans five generations. May the grandchildren be spared



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Re: Cheese  [message #35176 is a reply to message #35167] Mon, 04 September 2006 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Probably soy beans



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35178 is a reply to message #35173] Mon, 04 September 2006 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brian1407a is currently offline  Brian1407a

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Ill ask my doc the next clinic visit, but I think type 1 diabeties is genetic and type 2 is onset and not genetic.



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Re: Cheese  [message #35186 is a reply to message #35176] Mon, 04 September 2006 01:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brian1407a wrote:
> Probably soy beans

not always, but usually.
an example:
Redwood Cheezly, Gouda Style 190g
New super melting! Delicious dairy-free alternative to cheese with a Gouda style flavouring.
Dairy Free, Gluten Free, Lactose Free, Added Sugar, Vegan
Water, non hydrogenated vegetable fats and oils, soya protein, starch, thickeners: carrageenan, locust bean gum; salt, yeast extract, emulsifying salts; calcium phosphate, potassium phosphate; raw cane sugar, flavour, herbs, spices, colour: annatto, beta carotene.

http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/sect/CDACH.html

> Fake cheese often contains casein or caseinates, which are derived from milk. These kinds of cheeses won't pass muster with many vegans, but they're a good choice for people trying to restrict their consumption of cholesterol and lactose. Strict vegans should seek out cheeses labeled "vegan" or "dairy-free." Unfortunately, casein is what makes cheese (real and fake alike) more elastic, so non-dairy cheeses won't pull and stretch properly when melted.



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35196 is a reply to message #35178] Mon, 04 September 2006 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Hard to be sure. I have a reasonably large family, but only one other known diabetic, a first cousin, who is now 60 and started when she hit puberty.

Type 2 seems to hit after 40 and is usually but not always diet and often tablet controlled. Type 1 seems to be where the pancreas just switches off and hits "up to about 40"



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35197 is a reply to message #35173] Mon, 04 September 2006 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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The great thing about playing this out in public is that all of us get a load of information we woudl not otherwise have found. Thank you for the info re diet. At present I'm trying to work out the relationship (if any) between the finger prick meter numbers and the fasting blood sugar numbers.

I know the meter is inaccurate as a diagnostic tes, so I am assuming that it is "just a number" and one looks at thatnumber to spot trends, but that the full blood tests are theonly accurate ones. And I have yet to have the big tests etc, and yet to have the full dietary advice.

I'm actually also trying to work out whether it is "really diabetes" or if all plump people have raised blood sugar. I have been speaking to a lot of frineds ar9ound my age. So far 100% have been diagnosed type 2.



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35221 is a reply to message #35197] Mon, 04 September 2006 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JC is currently offline  JC

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Timmy,

Wishing you the best possible outcome in regards this new challenge in your life.

My wife is a registered nurse here in the states who works with many type 2 diabetics. In many cases she finds the disease can be controlled with diet alone without the use of insulin(sp), either in shot or tablet form, but the diet is usually very strict and vegan as well.
icon7.gif Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35224 is a reply to message #35013] Mon, 04 September 2006 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Timmy, I stopped in to say hi to all on the board, and saw your post about being diabetic. I realize you are stressed, and I most certainly understand it. I was diagnosed with diabetes at age 12, and have been taking insulin injections multiple times daily for over 32 years. Not only that, but even though I am a type 1 diabetic, I have never been hospitalized with diabetes related issues.... ever. I still live a vibrant and vital life. While I am realizing some of the complications of having diabetes (blood pressure, eyes, etc.) I am keeping things mostly at bay and living on with my life.

I am also a full time health consultant and Health and Wellness examiner, and work across the U.S. helping our clients deal with their health issues. My partner Michael and I have been doing this for over a year, and it never fails to amaze me when I see some of the things our clients do that they perceive as 'normal.' (One man, a diabetic came into our clinic in the morning, and said his blood sugar may be alittle high because he just had 4 filled doughnuts and forgot to take his insulin injection that morning. I guarantee we won't see him more than once or twice again... clinics are a year apart.)

I say all that to say this: Simply take care of yourself, Timmy. Do what is healthy and good for your physical body, and not only will you stave off the ill effects and negatives of diabetes, but you will also be healthier and have much more energy to do those extracurricular fun thing!!! I still run circles around my 18 year old son and 16 year old daughter. I just have to get to the YMCA 5 days a week and train. It is just a simple matter of fact in my life. Workout to live. Period. I look at it this way: I have to eat to live, and eat several times a day. i take showers every day. I work out every day. They just are part of my life.

I hope this helps you feel a little more calm, and keep your chin up. You will do well, Timmy. Please email me if you would like to talk more!!!

Hugs to you and hugs to all our family here!!!!!
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icon7.gif Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35225 is a reply to message #35224] Mon, 04 September 2006 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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You know the really great thing about this?

Everyone is discovering stuff they never knew. This is why it is so important to play these apparent disasters out in public.

The reassurance is awesome and I hug you hugely for it. All I really have at present is the lingering shock of being unwell, but it is passing Smile



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35267 is a reply to message #35013] Wed, 06 September 2006 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes timmy, that is the bad thing about the obesety epidemic that seems to be rampant in the US more than elsewhere. Being overweight even 15 or 20 pounds can increase your risk a lot. I was about 40 over when I went to the doctor for my routine physical but had not fasted as I was supposed to do. I was worried about possible high blood pressure, but I found him telling me I appeared to be diabetic.

I was sent to a nurse to get a diet going etc and started the "prick the finger" routine. Of course I was not diabetic but I was certainly what is called insulin resistant as my blood sugar would rise higher than normal after eating sugar. My overnight blood sugar would be about 105 to 108 mostly and that was in the normal range. However, after my concerted efforts to lose weight had found me 40 pounds lighter 3 months later, my overnight blood sugar was now about 92 most of the time.

If I had kept the weight on me much longer, I would have slipped into type 2 diabetes from which I would not have probably returned. Once the body seems to become insulan resistant, there is no going back. So be warned you guys that you need to lose that belly you have.

One of the great side-effects of losing that weight is that I feel probably 20 years younger. I found that I had a lot more energy at the end of the day when I didnt have to carry a 40 pound weight around with me all day!! I began to actually figure on saving money so I could buy some new ski equipment and plan a trip west to ski. I havent dont it yet but I still have the energy I would need. I was 67 in July so I know what I am saying about feeling a lot younger.

As a little side note: Men are like those frogs that you can put in a pan of water and gradually bring up the temperature until the frog is boiled and he wont feel the urge to jump out because he is cold-blooded...........so goes the theory anyway. Now women gain 25 pounds in 9 months and feel like hell from carrying all that weight around all day. It almost seems to kill some of them! Now a guy gains one pound a year for 25 years and never seems to notice it is doing the same thing to him. Enuf said!!



Ken
Re: !!!!!  [message #35268 is a reply to message #35030] Wed, 06 September 2006 04:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My grandmother was born in England and was what I would call 'dyed in the wool" British. (God help me, that is probably incorrect to say, but please forgive me). This woman would brew her tea and it was darker than some coffee I have had in my life. My mother wouldnt let me have it in a cup but she allowed my grandmother to pour some on some crackers with some sugar on them for me to have when the two of them had tea. I know that it was very strong and she would use a lot of tea leaves for a small pot which she would strongly boil as I can remember. (I was only about 5 or 6 years old at the time)

I know my mother made tea using one tea bag for a whole pot which of course would have made my grandmother have a regular fit if she saw it.

To the point though..........finally............she always put milk or cream in her tea and that is why I do the same to this day. I also used sugar but that is the American in me!!............lol



Ken
Re: Not enuf said  [message #35269 is a reply to message #35267] Wed, 06 September 2006 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Electroken you can't just say I lost 40 lbs in 3 months without telling us with the tummy how you went about it. So I await the next episode with baited breath. Have just spent an hour listening to Kevin Trudeaux's suggestions.
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Re: !!!!!  [message #35276 is a reply to message #35268] Wed, 06 September 2006 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>My grandmother was born in England and was what I would call 'dyed in the wool" British. (God help me, that is probably incorrect to say<

She could possibly be dyed in the wool English. British is a cover-all term referring to nationality.

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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35302 is a reply to message #35013] Thu, 07 September 2006 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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good luck, timmy.
i do know that diet/weight/exercise does affect certain types of diabetes (i forget which). the extreme end of that insight are patients i have, who have had the drastic-gastric bypass surgeries, who were diabetic but since then, their blood tests level out, then become normal, etc.

i do not think you are that extreme (and here's hoping your blood works show otherwise!) but just to give you a hope that it is certainly maintainable, and sometimes, reversable.

keep us posted, yes?

are they doing the 2 (or 3) hour timed bloodtests for you? usually that's what we do if sugar is elevated; oftentimes, when we do the prolonged test (you come in fasting and get blood drawn, drink a bottle of pure glucose to spike your sugar up, then get drawn 2 hours later to see how the level fell, or, 1 time every 3 hours to track how it falls -- usually is how we nail the diabetic diagnosis for absolute sure).

i will certainly hope for the best. Smile



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35309 is a reply to message #35302] Thu, 07 September 2006 06:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Here the doc decides based on our position on the scale. Our "diabetic threshold" is 7. Between 6 and 7 they perform the glucose tolerance test to either rule you in or rule you out. My ordinary fasting glucose score was 9.7 so the diagnosis was stated to be "absolute" and no need for the GTT.

I think my major problem was weight gain. I have an injured knee that has been waiting for surgery for a year. That has slowed my walking and made gym exercising next to impossible withouty great pain. So I added kilos that I should never have added, not exactly by accident, but carelessly.

I've altered my diet in two ways (I'm still waiting for the full battery of tests and examination and advice).

The first way is to learn to eat smaller portions. I was brought up in post-war England where the after effects of rationing menant that "clear your plate" was an essential dogma. That is hard to break and I have been referred to a hypnotherapist (not yet got the appointment) to see if that will help undo that issue. You see I eat to enjoy first, and then a littel bit more coz it still tastes good, and then the plate has to be cleared as a duty. I'm starting to try to leave a little, or certainly to start with less.

The second way is to alter, subtly, what I eat. I'm dropping the quantity of carbohydrates a little and raising the quantity of protein and fruit and veg.

I'm not exactly sure what effect this is having, except that I see two things. The weight is starting to ease. That's good if I can keep it going, and better if it affects everything else positively. IT will not be enough to ease the strain on the knee, however I am not grossly overweight. My BMI was 33.8 when diagnosed and today is 33.2 - a small change I know. The other is that the finger-prick meter (stated by the doc to be inaccurate) is showing a general small downward trend in blood sugar. Whatever its accuracy I think it likely that the number it displays shows the realtive amount of blood sugar, so I am currently testing at the same time of day in the same circumstances for as repeatable result as I can get. I have two anomalously low results so fa, but, if I ignore those, the general trend is to drop by one or two tenths of a unit per day. However I have not been testing long enough to have a valid sample size yet, so I could just be seeing coincidental normal variations.



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Are you sure about the "cream in her tea" bit?  [message #35312 is a reply to message #35268] Thu, 07 September 2006 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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Cream in coffee I can believe. I have never met anyone who put cream in their tea -- though I suppose people like that might exist.

David
Re: Are you sure about the "cream in her tea" bit?  [message #35319 is a reply to message #35312] Thu, 07 September 2006 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David, a lot of Americans will call milk cream. I take milk in my tea, but sometimes i will call it cream.



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Re: Are you sure about the "cream in her tea" bit?  [message #35321 is a reply to message #35319] Thu, 07 September 2006 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, I see, Brian. Thanks. I honestly didn't know that. Smile

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Re: Not enuf said  [message #35375 is a reply to message #35269] Fri, 08 September 2006 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey I would not say it is an easy thing to do........losing weight. I think that the hardest part is to resolve to do it no matter what happens. I figured that if I said I could not have certain things I liked that it was doomed to failure so I did not do that.

I first of all gave up drinking any regular pop (soda to you others)and that was a big difference as each 12 oz of pop has 9 teaspoons of sugar in it and that doesnt matter if it is Coke or Pepsi or 7Up or what ever it is. In that 20oz at McDonalds you would get 15 teaspoons so it amounts to a lot of sugar if you are a pop drinker. The same is to be said for juices and things like that so you have to be dilegent.

I resolved that I could still eat the same things but in much smaller portions and with NO SECOND helpings. The best exercise is pushing yourself away from the table!! I did not give up on my favorites ; I just had a lot less of them.

Now a diabetic is told not to go more than a few hours without having a meal or a snack. My snack consisted of no more than about 40 grams of carbs etc no matter what it was. I could still have my candy if I wished but it was counted in the snack.

The hardest part is to resolve that NO CHEATING will be allowed. You would be surprise what you will try to talk yourself into doing so you can justify that extra treat of helping of something you like. That is what can doom any diet to failure so you have to resist that at all costs.

This will succeed but it takes some will power. I would tell myself that I should just be happy I can have the things I like and not be so mad that I cant have as much as before. Be grateful you can still have SOME and be satisfied with what you can have.

NO secret to it other than what I said above.



Ken
Re: Not enuf said  [message #35380 is a reply to message #35375] Fri, 08 September 2006 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I'm on the way. Weight is going down. And yes, pretty much that is the mehod I am using. Trying to stop well befor I am full, and eating very small items but more often



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35383 is a reply to message #35309] Fri, 08 September 2006 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you said -- "The first way is to learn to eat smaller portions. I was brought up in post-war England where the after effects of rationing menant that "clear your plate" was an essential dogma. That is hard to break and I have been referred to a hypnotherapist (not yet got the appointment) to see if that will help undo that issue. You see I eat to enjoy first, and then a littel bit more coz it still tastes good, and then the plate has to be cleared as a duty. I'm starting to try to leave a little, or certainly to start with less."

and wow, although i wasn't brought up in the same era, my household still worked that way, for different reasons. i completely shot in the opposite direction (an eating disorder) which is a different end, but offers health issues nonetheless. my BMI right now is 16.9, which is awful, and the result is bradycardia and other issues with heart/resp.

but i completely, totally hear you on 'eat to enjoy first, and then more because...' that's exactly how it was for me when i was younger. it's very reassuring and comforting to see that problems like this can be tackled reasonably, rather than how i tackled them.

it definitely seems like you are on the right track, and i've no doubt that if you continued in this vein, you'll see improvements. i have seen them in patients (not just the gastric bypass ones, mind, but ones who took the long road, the harder road--a healthy change of lifestyle!) of my own, and if you keep trucking on this way, you'll see it too.

do keep us posted, timmy. Smile



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Re: I'm a bit stressed right now  [message #35393 is a reply to message #35383] Sat, 09 September 2006 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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I will. Partly for my own encouragement, but also for those who have a similar road to walk and either do not know or have not said. Smile



Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
Re: Not enuf said  [message #35408 is a reply to message #35375] Sun, 10 September 2006 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aussie is currently offline  Aussie

Really getting into it

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Thanks Ken for your explanation of how you managed to peel off the pounds or kilos. It all sounds fairly simple but is a matter of having the determination and will power. I think I have had the determination for some time and have made an attempt but the will power has been lacking and I haven't stuck to the NO CHEATING. I must get back into it.
Congratulations on your achievement.
Aussie
Re: Not enuf said  [message #35415 is a reply to message #35408] Mon, 11 September 2006 05:54 Go to previous message
electroken is currently offline  electroken

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Hey dont feel bad about the cheating! I gained back about 8 or so of those pounds lately so I have to get back to it again. It is not an easy thing to keep at it even once you do succeed.

Good luck though.................it is really worth it!!



Ken
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