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The link doesn't work for me. 'The url contained a malformed video id.'
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cossie
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... it was probably sabotaged by those lager-drinking antipodean neighbours of yours!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Wotchit malt drinker, remember that motto of yours.
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PS congrats on the 1000
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It's a pity about all the trolls in the comments section.
I assume that the presenter at the beginning is German? I must say, I am surprised that this was put together by Germans. I was under the impression that certain things were taboo over there, even today. That shows how much I know!
It was quite funny, but I am not quite sure in what way it is thought-provoking. If you'd not said thought-provoking, Jedediah, I would have been amused but then moved on pretty quickly. Instead, the more I think about it, the more I wonder about its intention. Sure, there is something quite homoerotic about some of that footage, but this was almost certainly unintentional and I cannot see any genuine hypocrisy there. I wonder if the primary intention is homophobic rather than satirical -- are we meant to think, "Ha, ha, what idiots, they all look so gay!"?
David
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cossie
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... but I doubt that there was any homophobic intent.
I'm pretty sure that the compiler was well aware of Hitler's own homophobia, which cost the lives of hundreds of gays, and was making a deliberate point.
The backing track, 'YMCA', by the gay New York group Village People, is probably the best-known and best-loved 'gay anthem' of all. It was a UK No. 1 hit at the end of 1978, and generated quite a bit of positive publicity for the gay community, as did the follow-up 'In the Navy', which reached No. 2 early in 1979. Both tracks have been successfully re-released several times since then.
The use of this track, coupled with slightly homoerotic images of members of Hitler Youth, strongly suggests to me that the compilation is from a gay source and that the intended message to fascism is 'Up Yours' - to which proposal I happily raise my malt whisky glass!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... I had no idea that my verbal diarrhoea had reached such astonishing dimensions. I obviously need medication, and more malt whisky is the drug which springs immediately to mind!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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How could the dulcet tones of a Geordie with overtones of Scotland (or is it the other way around)sound like verbal diarrhea. Would be music to anyones ears.
Enjoy the medication(or was it meditation)
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Wrong Geordie. But I reckon no. 3 would be fine for jumping anyone (or can you only jump Geordies with it?). What was that about free post?
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Interesting, thanks for your thoughts (and i agree entirely with the "Up yours" sentiment)...however I understand that this Vid was inspired by German historian Lothar Machtan's book that Hitler may have been gay... The Hidden Hitler..
and the subsequent doco:
Hidden Fuhrer: Debating the Enigma of Hitler's Sexuality
http://imdb.com/title/tt0414097/
Not that there's anything wrong with being gay - obviously - but there's plenty wrong with being a hateful, closeted, homophobic cover-up and maybe Hitler & co. were extreme examples of a type that is all too common.
Does anyone know what the announcer's saying in the introduction? And, Deej - there's no "Ha, ha" about it - they do look gay.
Cheers
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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cossie
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... and I don't doubt that the inspiration came from the source you suggest, but I still feel that the film is more of a blunt instrument than a study in irony - and thus I believe that the source was gay-friendly.
But, as ever, alternative views are legitimate and welcome!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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There's a hoary old Tyneside joke about the Geordie who was invited to the Queen's Garden Party. The Queen was circulating with a plate of cakes, and spying Geordie standing by himself, she approached him, saying 'Geordie, we are SO pleased that you found yourself able to join us today. Would you care for an apple tart or a meringue?' To which Geordie replied 'Aye, ye're wrang, Queen - aal hev a Vanilla Slice!'
Ten bonus points to everyone who understood that joke!
Actually, Timmy's right about Geordie Pool - it's a local company, based about twenty miles from where I live. And, of course, Geordies have a long-standing interest in extensions, because (being only 60 miles from the Scottish Border) Tyneside has always had a significant Scottish community, and the natives are consequently well aware of their inferiority in terms of linear dimension!
Interestingly (well, I think so!), although 'Geordie' is recognised over most of the English-speaking world as a term describing someone born and bred on the banks of the River Tyne, there is absolutely no evidence to show how the term originated.
'Aa went te Blaydon Races, 'twas on the ninth of Jeun,
Eyteen hunnert an' sixty two, on a Summer's afterneun;
Aa teuk the bus fra' Balmbra's, an' she was heavy-laden,
An' aff we set alang Collingwood Street, that's on the rwoad te Blaydon!
Wey, me lads, ye shouldst he' seen us gannin,
Passin' the fwolk alang the rwoad, just es they were stannin'
Aal the lads and lasses there - they aal hed smylin' fyaces -
Gannin' alang the Scotswood Rwoad, te see the Blaydon Races!'
The Tynesiders' anthem will reduce a Geordie to tears from Inverness to Indonesia. I'm not sure about uncivilised locations like Australia or New Zealand!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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When i was in London, many years ago, i saw a billboard i really liked. I think it was advertising some booze or other. The caption read :
"What do you call a civilised Australian? . . A New Zealander!
(Gidday Aussie)
Cheers
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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Well did anyone get the bonus points? Looks like you will have to explain and then it loses its punch.
No tears here for the Blaydon Races but the tune is very catchy.
Don't think it will catch on in NZ. They are into war cries and poking their tongues out.
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I claim the 10 bonus points. The source of my undwerstanding is different, but why on earth would the queen ask him if she is wrong that he would care for an apple tart.
My experience was drinking halves of bitter with whisky chasers with a scotsman who insisted in finishing each sentence with a meringue. I forget how much booze we got through, but I did notice it tasted pretty bad the second time.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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It's something to do with the pronunciation of meringue. Or am I wrong?
I still don't quite get it, because I don't know the Geordie accent at all well.
David
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timmy
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Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. You do get it!
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I think I'll get it fully when I hear a Geordie person pronounce it. Or at least a passable imitation of the accent. 
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E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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cossie
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The usual UK pronunciation of 'meringue' - a French word - is 'mer-ang', with the accent on the second syllable.
In the joke (well, it's a joke hereabouts!) the Queen said 'a meringue'; Geordie, assuming that everyone else used his native dialect, translated this as 'em aa wrang?' (Translation in Winchester English: 'am I wrong?').
Dialects are part of ther rich tapestry of our history; they even maintain different grammatical conventions from 'Standard English'. Don't knock 'em; your ancestors almost certainly spoke in dialect!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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We still speak in dialect. yankees speak too fast and southerners run words together, westerners have a drawl and people in calif. well we dont know and dont really want to find out.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Cossie said:
>Don't knock 'em; your ancestors almost certainly spoke in dialect!
My ancestors come from Yorkshire and Northern Ireland. I don't know about my Yorkshire ancestors, but my Irish family still have the most dense and incomprehensible accents. My grandmother has a subtle accent despite having lived in England for many decades.
I have an irritating accent that makes people ask me all the time if I went to public school. I'm not convinced it's a good thing.
Incidentally, Cossie, didn't RP come from affluent traders in the East Midlands originally, who brought it to London? I can't find a very good reference for it. So it could be said to be a dialect too.
David
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