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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36616 is a reply to message #36614] Thu, 05 October 2006 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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NW, I ought to point out that the problem of sampling rates will be exacerbated if you burn the samples to CD, as it will force the quality down from 96,000 samples per second to 44,100. That said, the chances are that the quality of the sound system is much better so it may even out.

Hmm -- I dunno. I am suspicious of raising the volume too high because on my own speakers, the higher the volume gets the more extra "noise" I can hear at lower frequencies. I suspect at least some people here are hearing those rather than the true frequency, which they may not be able to hear.

Of course, it's primarily a bit of fun. The results are interesting.

David
Re: Out of interest...  [message #36617 is a reply to message #36616] Thu, 05 October 2006 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My CD player plays mp3's, so I didn't convert the files, just burned them as they are. I don't know whether the hardware / firmware in the CD player reduces the sampling rate on playback, but I suspect not ... good point though.

My speakers are probably the strong point of my system - dating back to my days of being actively involved in sound I certainly trust them well over 20k - certainly well above anything that I can any longer hear!

As you say, just a bit of fun - but I've found the replies interesting.



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Re: Sailor ...  [message #36618 is a reply to message #36593] Thu, 05 October 2006 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it that bad?
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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36619 is a reply to message #36617] Thu, 05 October 2006 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was assuming you had burnt them to a normal audio CD, in which case the sampling rate would have changed, 'cos the format of audio CDs is pretty strictly defined, as I'm sure you know.

It sounds like you probably have the best experimental conditions of all of us. I have some cheap £30 Altec Lansing speakers and subwoofer for my computer. I dislike the subwoofer because it adds bass even where there really shouldn't be any. I have stuffed it with tissues, which helps.

I would try with my lovely Sennheiser HD25 headphones, except they are at home. I seriously recommend them to anyone, especially audio professionals. They don't do anything to the sound, which makes them excellent for sound recording and playback.

David
Re: Sailor ...  [message #36621 is a reply to message #36618] Thu, 05 October 2006 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brian go gound his back thats what i did



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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36623 is a reply to message #36619] Thu, 05 October 2006 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eeerk! I thought i was deaf there for a minute - but then i turned the speakers on. I can hear 23 (faintly) at full volume, no more.

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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36624 is a reply to message #36623] Thu, 05 October 2006 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, but (a) does it sound higher than all the other notes before it (so you can be sure it is not a harmonic) and (b) can you hear it without putting the volume up to the top?

Unless you're a teenager and you haven't told us, I don't believe that it is possible you'd be able to hear anything at that pitch, regardless of volume. I cannot.

(Edit -- In retrospect I accept that I may not have the most perfect of hearing for high frequencies myself. However, because my own speakers do funny things with harmonics above about 20kHz, I'm a bit suspicious of anyone who says they can hear 23kHz. Smile )

David

[Updated on: Thu, 05 October 2006 18:11]

Re: Analysis -- the problem of harmonics  [message #36625 is a reply to message #36613] Thu, 05 October 2006 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I played the tones back in Linux, with Real Player, they were masked by severe harmonic distortion. However, rebooting and playing the tones in Windows did the trick, on the same hardware.
Re: Analysis -- the problem of harmonics  [message #36626 is a reply to message #36625] Thu, 05 October 2006 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Odd.

Realplayer's rubbish, though. I use mplayer or xmms. If set up correctly, mplayer plays virtually any PC or Mac-compatible format known to man.

David
Re: Out of interest...  [message #36627 is a reply to message #36624] Thu, 05 October 2006 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, we can. I just tested it on my family - 3 out of 4 here can hear 23, but only at full volume.

Maybe the speakers are odd?

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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36628 is a reply to message #36627] Thu, 05 October 2006 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What does it sound like? Excruciatingly high pitched? Or just fairly high pitched?

David
Hey, Jay ...  [message #36646 is a reply to message #36621] Fri, 06 October 2006 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... that's no way for a respectable boyfriend to behave. Encouraging misdemeanours, indeed - whatever next?!!!!!



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Re: Hey, Jay ...  [message #36647 is a reply to message #36646] Fri, 06 October 2006 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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would you have let me if asked like brian



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Probably ...  [message #36648 is a reply to message #36647] Fri, 06 October 2006 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... 'cos I'm a sucker for cute 'puh-leez' faces!

Hey - by the way - Brian DIDN'T ask. That's why I had to remind him to listen to his elders and betters!

[PS - I hope no-one out there is taking this seriously!]



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Re: Probably ...  [message #36649 is a reply to message #36648] Fri, 06 October 2006 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nope



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Re: Probably ...  [message #36651 is a reply to message #36649] Fri, 06 October 2006 02:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yup, 'tis ....  [message #36659 is a reply to message #36651] Fri, 06 October 2006 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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.... and don't you forget it!



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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36671 is a reply to message #36628] Fri, 06 October 2006 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is higher than the ones b4 it and just fairly high pitched. (Funny - today i can still hear 23 but not 22.)

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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36678 is a reply to message #36671] Fri, 06 October 2006 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hummm.

But at normal volume?
Re: Out of interest...  [message #36683 is a reply to message #36678] Fri, 06 October 2006 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nope. Just at full volume



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Re: Out of interest...  [message #36684 is a reply to message #36683] Fri, 06 October 2006 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And what is highest you can hear at normal volume?
Re: Out of interest...  [message #36686 is a reply to message #36684] Fri, 06 October 2006 16:33 Go to previous message
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Full volume IS normal. But at 1/2 i can hear up to 19. It's now 5.30am & i'm going to bed!

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