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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I admit it. I looked. Well, in order to ask the question I had to look. I should have known better and I've scrubbed my machine.
What makes a teenage boy sit at his computer, focus his webcam on his crotch, whip his dick out and jerk off?
I don't mean sending your own cybersex pictures to your friend (who may, by the way, be a sad old guy pretending to be your teenage lover). I mean public stuff. Like would be on youtube, and probably is on youtube if you know where to look.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Why did you look? And, more to the point, why did you admit to looking on this board? This stuff is not easy to find -- I can honestly say I have never come across it online (while looking for legal stuff, I might add).
As for the question -- I don't really know, but I can guess. Presumably doing something "dangerous" or "taboo" has a sexual attraction, rather like anonymous gay sex in public lavatories. It's exciting because it's sordid. Assuming he's under the age of 18, there is also the "highly illegal" aspect -- it's just as illegal (perhaps even more so) to make under-age pornography of yourself as it is to possess it of other people. This, too, is presumably exciting. Being young, he perhaps doesn't realise how much trouble he could be in if he were found out -- nor how much trouble he could get anyone else who looked at it into.
David
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I was sent the url. 
Like the News of the World reporter, I made my excuses and left, naturally, once I knew what it was. And, to be fairl, one has no idea from the very blurred picture what real age the "performer" had. It was only just possible to decipher.
It's not hard to find. There are loads of webcam sites.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hmm. I have a distinct aversion to webcams; maybe that's why I haven't visited any of these sites. They produce such appalling pictures. They are a huge leap down from bog-standard cheap-o camcorders, even.
Still, I don't think it's a good idea to admit to that sort of thing in a public forum, unless it gives you some sort of plausible deniability, which I would be pretty sure it does not. I have very little legal knowledge, though, so I might be wrong.
David
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Sorry.
[Updated on: Wed, 08 November 2006 19:17] |
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I thought it was woad with a bit of red food colouring mixed in!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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It brings a nostalgic tear to every Celtic eye!
"Romans, keep your armour!
Saxons, your pyjamas!
Hairy coats were meant for goats,
Gorillas, yaks, retriever-dogs and llamas!
Ancient Briton never hit on
Anything as good as woad to fit on
Neck, or knee, or where you sit on!
Better, far, is woad!"
To be sung lustily to the suitably Celtic melody 'Men of Harlech'.
I believe it was composed by a master at an English(!!!!) Public School in the early years of the Scout Association.
Somewhere in my library, though I can't at the moment lay hands on it, I have a book published by what was then called the Boy Scout Association in 1938. It's called 'Jack Blunt's Book of Outdoor Games and Activities' - or something similar - and it contains instructions for an Ancient Brit game using blue vegetable dye as a woad-substitute. It is clearly indicated that this is a game to be played at camp, and that all participants should remove ALL clothing. How times have changed!
Timmy, I think that you're legally in the clear. If it is not apparent that the 'actor' was under 18 and he did not represent himself to be so, the image was probably legal anyway. Even if he was in fact under-age, the ambiguity would oblige any prosecution to prove that this was so, and the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. That said, I think Deeej is absolutely right to express concern, because admissions of this sort might potentially attract unwelcome attention to the site and thus to all who participate in it. This particular instance is no biggie, but the principle is well worth mentioning.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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how these threads morph into something other than what they started as, and how quickly it can happen!  )
Teddy
“There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is.” - Terry Pratchett
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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What is the thread about????
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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What do you mean by unwelcome attention?
[Updated on: Thu, 09 November 2006 11:09]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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This might annoy quite a few people. ah well.
A few thoughts on your question.
Kids, admittedly younger than teenagers, used to play games where expsoing themselves was part of their innate curiosity 'what makes us different, or the same?' for example playing "doctors and nurses" or some such.
Small children usually have no inhibitions about nakedness; little boys and girls used to play on public beaches with no swimwear. (However those days have gone with the general panic over paedophiles etc. There were no fewer paedophiles in the 'fifties than there are now, they were just not recognised, the witch-hunts hadn't begun. They were ususally described a 'sad' 'dirty old men' or 'pervs' and often given a wide berth or ignored. Now, society would have them preferably publicly 'Named 'n Shamed' and then either castrated or given hormone treatment or locked up.)But I digress and that is beside the point.
The majority of teenaged boys have one overriding thing on their minds; their penis. This is an indisputable fact. Their hormones are shouting at them to 'go forth and mutiply.' Well, they can't go forth and multiply just like that, which is where masturbation comes in (pun intended.)
On a personal note, I remember quite clearly, when I was about nine or ten and experiencing a very hard 'hardon' my first reaction was to strip off and expose myself to my empty bedroom. I didn't even know then what I was supposed to do with my stiffy, just that I couldn't contain it. I have a clear recollection of standing stark bollock naked at my bedroom window, flaunting my rock-hard pricklet at the window. (I was fortunate in that we lived on a hill and my bedroom window was hidden from the nearest houses which must have been a quarter of a mile away, beyond trees) BUT I still had the urge to display my 'prowess' without knowing really what it was, or why I was doing it.
The Internet comes along. Now teenagers have the opportunity to do the same through this 'window' because they know how to make themselves unrecognisable; they want to display themselves this way. Sad, dirty old men they are not, but they are doing the same from the safety of their own home.
Boys are obsessed with their dicks. Why should they keep it hidden when there is a way to show off wihtout being caught? Boys will always want to expose themselves. I recall changing-rooms at school; boys were not shy of their genitalia, except those who had a reason to be; they were ashamed of the size, or else they were either under-developed or over-developed for their age. The 'lads' (I suppose the Americans would say 'jocks', but by 'lads', I mean the slightly naughty boys, the ones who always got away with it, the almost 'criminal' tough kids) loved to flaunt their cocks.
Stories about 'sexploits', tales about jacking-off are part and parcel of the adolescent boy as he tries to discover how normal or abnormal he is and how he fits into his peer-group (or doesn't, but then he wouldn't involve himself in these sessions, I suppose.)
Webcam exposure is the logical progression of this.
For webcam exposure, read 'beating my chest in the jungle advertising myself'
You are perplexed by it, yet you go on to say "I don't mean sending your own cybersex pictures to your friend" to which I reply, so what's the difference? You even say the 'friend' could be a 'sad old guy pretending to be your teenage lover'
The step between that and publicly exposing oneself is a very small one I think and since one can guarantee anonymity, there seems to be no difference in the minds of the teenaged boys who indulge in self-exposure over the Internet.
I do not understand why you are perplexed. It's probably quite 'normal'!!
Just don't look.
Spunky
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marc
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You say........
The Internet comes along. Now teenagers have the opportunity to do the same through this 'window' because they know how to make themselves unrecognisable; they want to display themselves this way. Sad, dirty old men they are not, but they are doing the same from the safety of their own home.
Fact....... No one is unrecognisable on the internet.... No one, no where, no time....... If the proper protocols are followed anyone can be traced down.....
And then say........
You are perplexed by it, yet you go on to say "I don't mean sending your own cybersex pictures to your friend" to which I reply, so what's the difference? You even say the 'friend' could be a 'sad old guy pretending to be your teenage lover'
The difference is that between probation and a listing on the sex offenders roll and 10 to 20 years in a cell with Bubba.......
And then further you add.....
I do not understand why you are perplexed. It's probably quite 'normal'!!
Just don't look.
But that is the thing....... He did look..... and the bell tolls on.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Hey Spunky F
Thanks for such a rational explanation.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Marc said,
>Fact....... No one is unrecognisable on the internet.... No one, no where, no time....... If the proper protocols are followed anyone can be traced down.....
True -- provided that every step between you and the server at the other end is impeccably logged. The thing is, most ISPs don't log every single connection made through their routers because it would consume vast quantities of disk space. Likewise for service logs at the far end -- requests might be logged, but the logs may be being discarded. (Of course, you cannot make the assumption that they will be, but sometimes they are, which effectively kills the evidence.)
If someone uses proper encryption and a good proxy or an onion routing system like Tor, there is a reasonable measure of security. It's easy for your ISP to tell that you are using the internet, but not for what, unless they happen to have full access and full logs to all machines in the middle. Where a chain may consist of anywhere between half a dozen and thirty or forty different machines, on many different networks and in many different countries -- and any number of those systems may not be logging at all -- it's very unlikely indeed that anyone would be able to get enough evidence to tell with certainty what you are doing. A system like Tor is designed to be untraceable, though of course it may have flaws that have not yet been uncovered.
That said, you can never be sure you haven't slipped up somehow and are definitely not being logged in an incriminating way, which makes doing anything highly illegal on the internet a bit like playing Russian Roulette -- very silly indeed.
I would certainly agree that if you don't make any extra-special efforts to be anonymous, then you can be pretty sure you are not.
David
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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In fact, I can't disagree with anything you say.
Looking solely at the teenage perpetrator, if our legal systems seek to pursue and identify him, our legal systems are even more stupid than I thought they were. For the reasons you suggest, he has not harmed himself, nor has he directly harmed anyone else.
That said, I think your closing comment - just don't look - is crucial. The search for paedophiles in the woodshed is turning into an increasingly pernicious and problematic witch-hunt. You admit to looking, and some self-appointed guardian of our morals may call the attention of the police to this 'unsavoury' site. Two or three years ago, I'd have trusted the police to look at the broader picture; now I'm not so sure.
None of that means that I defend sexual assaults upon children; I've said often enough that I do not. Though I accept that some adult-youth relationships are not harmful, the vast majority are damaging to the younger partner, and since we should seek the greatest good of the greatest number that, to my mind, justifies most of the legal restraints.
Oh, and a closing note in response to Teddy's post - the deflection of threads is part of the charm of this place. Deflection isn't the same as deliberate hijacking of a thread with an important core. In this case, however, I don't think that my previous post was so much a non sequitur as a short digression provoked by Timmy's choice of words. I did, after all, get back to the point eventually!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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i agree with absoluitely everything boris wrote in that article, with but one exception
he blames judges. judges don't make law, they merely have the distinct displeasure of enforcing the crap parliament enacts, and then have to take the shit when parliament/media/public blame them for following parliaments laws (ala Craig Sweeney Case)
i wonder sometimes, one of my good friends is a cub scout leader in a little town between stoke-on-trent and shrewsbury. he's 19, and openly gay to some groups of people, but not to others. i wonder what the reaction of the parents at that scout group would be if they knew about "Kaa's" little secret. i hardly wonder why he feels the need to keep it a secret though.
incidentally, boris notes the numbers of male teachers are falling... the numbers of youth workers are falling too... with council run youth projects through to the scout association being affected by it.
i remember when i was a scout, we used to do things called patrol camps. the Patrol leader would take his patrol for a weekend camp to the local scout camp site, no leaders. i went on one myself when i was 13, led another when i was 15. don't think they still do them, a pity, they were great fun.
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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