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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I am not sure I was ever too keen on Moses
I introduced it as an experiment. I had feared this mess all along. It only took a short while until I was proven right. So I'd appreciate the toughts of others, too, please. Not just "put it back" or "leave it out" but thoughts.
It isn't a ballot. I'll consider what is said and reach my own conclusion, factoring in what is said.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Timmy,
Any privilege can be abused. In this particular case many people made use of it and found it to be of great benefit and none abused it. One person, in a moment when they were not fully cognisant of what they were doing, abused the privilege is has expressed his great regret. Surely the benefit of the many outweighs one single error.
Please make sure that you do not over-react.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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I am not going to over react. I am open to all matters, the most important of which has been the apology. I simply want time to think it over now. And to ensure that everyione also sees that this is not a yo-yo on again off again thing. I care passionatley about the integrity of this forum and want to measure the passion with which others care, too.
I want to restate that this simply coincided with other matters and is an issue in its own right.
You have probably gathered that I am minded to return the facility. I wish, simply, for further input. Not supplication, but input.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Aussie
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Really getting into it |
Registered: August 2006
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When the edit function was restored I was unaware of any guidelines for the use of it.
Therefore I could have deleted one of my posts if after thinking about it didn't think it was appropriate.
So my suggestion is if it is restored could we please have some guidelines.
On some MB's if a post is deleted it leaves a message saying "This message has been deleted by the author"
I did find it handy for making corrections.
Aussie
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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There will not be a "delete" function.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Not only did I fuck up royally.... But I used the edit thing often in order to pinpoint thoughts I was trying to make.... For me it helped clairify my sometimes scrambled thoughts into ssomething that made somewhat more sense.
Probably I more than others make mistakes but mistakes are made by all with typing and grammar and the like..... The ability to rethink ones position and make the appropriate changes is always a setp toward greater understanding..... Sometimes, just sometimes a person can see what he or me says and see just how rediculous it is.... Sometimes..... not always.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Aussie
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Really getting into it |
Registered: August 2006
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Do you mean it will not be possible to remove any part of a post or it will not be possible to delete the messge including the heading?
Aussie
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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I agree.....
I remember seeing a notice to not do anything to abuse it or something of the like..... I did not see what I did as abusive..... In hindsight stupid...... but not abusive.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I mean a "delete funtion that deletes the entire post". The rest relies on trust and "care for the environment"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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The same issue cropped up on another bulletin board which I am a member of, and the moderator resolved it by implementing a 30 minute time limit.
This gives you enough time to correct typos or change something you didn't really mean to say before too many people have read the post. Once thirty minutes is up that's it, you can't change it.
It seems to work quite well.
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I have two rather contradictory thoughts on this:
firstly, that in theory I appreciate the chance to go back and correct any glaring errors (typos, spelling etc) in my posts. Although, in fact, I'm not sure if I have ever even used the edit function.
secondly, that the absence of an edit function made me take more care over posts - even to the extent of writing a post in notepad first, checking it, then copy-and-pasting into the post window. That definitely saved me from making some ill-considered and downright ungentlemanly posts in the heat of the moment. I think everyone here knows that I do sometimes get het up about things!
if it's technically possible, I like the idea of a time limit.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Timmy, for the less perspicacious readers like me, would please tell us your objections to an edit facility?
Hugs
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I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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Simply that a post can be made, answers given, and the original post edited such that it makes a nonsense of the answers given.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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This facility is not available, however good an idea it is
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Whitop
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Location: USA
Registered: June 2005
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Timmy,
It would seem to me that you, as moderator, upon noting the deletion of the originating post, could recall it and insert your remark in the blank opening item "Deleted by author. Subject was ..." and insert enough info to avoid making a nonsense of the responses.
Having written the above, I reviewed the thread with the empty top and realized that you did NOT know what had been deleted. I would have thought you would have access to everything posted, at least for a while. In any case, when I'm here, it's a welcome facility and I will welcome it back.
Nice to be back and many thanks to JFR for giving us http://etext.virginia.edu WOW! What a resource!
Best, Mac
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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Have a look at the "Netiquette" link. I have added items to it just now
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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We do not keep an audit trail, so I am unable to do this.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Nice........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Although.........
In the second criteria..... I would use the word "spirit" in place of the word "sense".......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Timmy,
My first thought when I started reading this post was the "audit trail" just mentioned. Since that option is not available, and in the interest of keeping this place "safe", my opinion would be to reserve the "edit" feature to yourself alone or other's whom you assign those privileges. If a person feels they need to offer further explanation or correct something said in their post they can simply add another reply referring back to it and say what they feel needs to be said.
In this way everything said here will remain as posted, and there can be no "change and deny" routine as all will be in the open just as it is in real life. This is a healthy thing because it causes us as individuals to be more "real" in our associations with each other.
Just my thoughts as a relative newcomer here.
Hugs to all,
Teddy
“There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is.” - Terry Pratchett
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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I added spirit to sense. I think both are right
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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I have come to a conclusion.
I have always been nervous of an edit feature, because there are the risks we have just seen, which I accept now were a simple error of judgement in this case. Even so I have also alwasy believed that treating people as the adults I trust them to be creates adults in attitude, whatever their age or maturity (please no-one take that as any form of dig, it really is not).
Because of my nervousness I will always be watching this facility. Even so I see the benefit of it. I have returned it. In fact I returned it some hoiurs ago.
The "Netiquette" link at the head of the board deals with th ebehaviours I feel are within the community spirt here and necessary.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
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Those were my initial thoughts, too. Over time I reached a different view, but it took several years.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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I did express my views in a separate thread - which I subsequently mislaid(!) - but in view of the restoration of the edit function my comments are no longer relevant. I haven't deleted them, though!
From a purely personal point of view, I appreciated the edit function because it allowed me to conceal my mechanical incompetence. I usually re-read my posts carefully (though the odd typo does get through) but I have a tendency to premature ejaculation - well, at least, I tend to post headings or half-complete replies because of over-enthusiastic hits on the 'Enter' button. Restoration of the 'edit' function will allow me to conceal my shortcomings!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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