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In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41658] Mon, 02 April 2007 23:15 Go to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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... it is always man who loses. For man is the one who is pained. Machines are oblivious to the suffering they cause.

Avid Xpress Pro has just sucked the last four hours from my life. I did not even achieve what I set out to achieve. Only a horrible workaround that will require a couple more hours tomorrow to get me back to the position I was in at 8 this evening.

I only ever use Windows these days to run Avid Xpress Pro and Steinberg Nuendo. Now I remember why.

Tomorrow (assuming it's not lost in the post, like last week's parcel) my first ever Mac arrives. Hopefully I will never have to use Windows again. Though I suspect that is not realistic.

Please disregard this post.

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41659 is a reply to message #41658] Tue, 03 April 2007 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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David, you won't regret having a Mac once it's set up and you've uncomplicated your way of using a computer. However, you might find Office for Mac useful for incoming material.

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Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41660 is a reply to message #41659] Tue, 03 April 2007 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, Nigel.

The main reason I'm going Mac is (believe it or not! I thought I was immune to it) peer pressure. The entire media industry runs on Macs. Last summer I worked in a production office in London, and it was a nightmare trying to use a PC on their network. Nothing worked properly. In addition all the people there kept looking at at me as if I were touched in the head.

Also, Macs run on a Unix-like kernel underneath. This is very similar to Linux. I enjoy tinkering around with Linux. Tinkering around with Windows is like playing Russian Roulette with a gun where all the barrels are loaded except one.

I will see if I can beg, borrow or buy a copy of Office. There are student discounts available.

David
So slick! So beautiful! I'm in love...  [message #41664 is a reply to message #41660] Tue, 03 April 2007 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: So slick! So beautiful! I'm in love...  [message #41667 is a reply to message #41664] Tue, 03 April 2007 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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from everything i've heard.... nmac's seem a better bet than a PC... though you're the only guy i know who uses one... my computer whiz of an uncle runs his house of PCs...

my issue is games... as an avid gamer, they just aren't available on mac.

as far as i'm aware, none of the games i'm playing right now are available for Macs... thats a major bar for me...
i also have very limited experience of them, so i have no idea about issues of hardware and driver support for macs...

plus, tbf, my current PC has done some very good service. XP, annoying at times is pretty stable, and the few problems i've had with it i know precisely what it is i'm doing wrong. i get more annoyed with my version of microsoft office, with its bloody annoying defaults and complicated methods of doing what you want, than with XP.



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Re: So slick! So beautiful! I'm in love...  [message #41669 is a reply to message #41667] Tue, 03 April 2007 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GAMES ME LOV GAMES, I get made fun of at work cuz i bought a new PC so i could play one game. when my laptop prob would have ran it no prob.

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You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
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Re: So slick! So beautiful! I'm in love...  [message #41671 is a reply to message #41667] Tue, 03 April 2007 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aden said,
>my issue is games... as an avid gamer, they just aren't available on mac.

You can run Windows natively on the latest generation of Macs if you want to.

I practically never play games, so it's not a problem for me.

>i also have very limited experience of them, so i have no idea about issues of hardware and driver support for macs...

The hardware they come with (obviously) works fine, and extra hardware is generally supported -- just read the fine print or look them up on the internet first.

As a Linux user, I'm finding it a very interesting experience -- very, very easy to use in comparison, and in many ways just as powerful.

David

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2007 16:33]

Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41672 is a reply to message #41658] Tue, 03 April 2007 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to buy a Mac for my schoolwork......

I dread it for several reasons.....

One is that I have not one inch of extra space in my study.

The second is that it is going to cost a boatload of $$$$$

It is more or less required because the course material and labs are all done on Macs....

As for usability..... Macs rule for graphics and related work..... which is what I need.

Keep me apprised of any annomalies you run into?=.....



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Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41675 is a reply to message #41672] Tue, 03 April 2007 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll let you know how it goes, Marc. So far I've been pretty impressed -- though it doesn't seem drastically faster than my three year-old 2 GHz, 1 GB Athlon, in the way that my last upgrade from 533 Mhz to 2 Ghz did.

I would imagine you're aware of this, but you can get sizeable discounts (£100-£200 in the UK) if you buy a Mac directly from Apple while you're a student, particularly if you're in higher education. That's how I got mine. It was still relatively more expensive than the competition (but not enormously, and the build quality should be better), but it's a worthwhile sacrifice for the convenience of being able to run the same applications as everyone else in the industry.

David

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2007 17:33]

Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41676 is a reply to message #41675] Tue, 03 April 2007 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I get a student discoune here as well....

But even with that factored in it will still cost about the national debt



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Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41677 is a reply to message #41676] Tue, 03 April 2007 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I know -- I thought about it long and hard before buying. I'm borrowing the money off my parents to pay for it. Currently it's forming part of a large credit card bill which I dread paying off (though I will, because I hate buying things on credit).

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41678 is a reply to message #41677] Tue, 03 April 2007 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That said, the cheapest Mac -- a Mac Mini -- is only about £360 for higher education students in the UK. That includes delivery and 17.5% VAT (sales tax). That's very comparable to equivalent PCs, though it doesn't include a monitor.

David

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2007 23:46]

Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41679 is a reply to message #41678] Wed, 04 April 2007 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm looking at a Mac pro with two 3ghz dual core Xeon processors, 8gb memory, 4 750gb hard drives, NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI), 2 Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel), Two 16x SuperDrives, Both Bluetooth 2.0+EDR and AirPort Extreme, Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI Express card, Final Cut Express HD preinstalled

I figure it should take me a little more than 1 1/2 years to save up for it.

But I am writing a grant request and if that goes through I will get it alot faster.

[Updated on: Wed, 04 April 2007 00:49]




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Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41680 is a reply to message #41679] Wed, 04 April 2007 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I understand now why you compare the cost to the national debt! Why so high a specification? What will you be doing with it?

I do realtime video and sound editing with Avid Xpress Pro and Steinberg Nuendo and I've got away quite happily for the last couple of years using a my single core 2 GHz Athlon with 1 GB of memory and hard disk space varying from 160 GB (originally) to 1.2 TB (now). The only reason I need so much hard disk space is that I tend to use disks for archival of important stuff rather than videotape, plus some of the disks are for backups. 100 GB will store approximately 8 hours of PAL, NTSC or high definition (HDV) video. 3 TB would store 10 days' worth!

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41681 is a reply to message #41680] Wed, 04 April 2007 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The course is visual communications technology....



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Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41682 is a reply to message #41681] Wed, 04 April 2007 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mm, but you can communicate visually using technology that is not necessarily the latest and greatest ...

Certainly for things like video, unless you're receiving HDCAM rushes in 1080p directly from a high-budget film shoot (and for that you'd need to rent a camera costing hundreds of thousands of pounds anyway), the chances are you don't need the fastest computer money can buy. Apple, of course, is happy to sell you anything provided you've got the money. Smile

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41684 is a reply to message #41682] Wed, 04 April 2007 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is there a problem of some sort?

Why do you incessantly have to pick at everything until all the fun of it is just withered to little more than a dried lump of offal?

Nevermind.... Just forget I ever joined the conversation....



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41688 is a reply to message #41684] Wed, 04 April 2007 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because I have never seen a computer on the level of the one you specified -- such a specification would have been impossible just a year or so ago. Because I'm interested in technical things, especially where media, video, sound and photography are concerned. Because I was wondering what you might be doing with it that required so much power!

There's no need to be rude! I'm sorry if it sounded as if I were persecuting you. I was hoping we could have a conversation about the capabilities of such a machine. They are certainly used in conjunction with some seriously powerful software and hardware to do some pretty astounding things in the industry in which I hope to work.

As for a problem -- no, why would there be a problem?

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41689 is a reply to message #41688] Wed, 04 April 2007 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Visual communications technology is about the same as what you are studying plus graphics design....

In the film industry it would be related to special effects from a computer generated perspective.

As for the machine itself..... well like I said..... i am writing a grant to cover the lions share of the cost (if not all).

As for computing power..... you should see my study..... every computer here is running at optimum performance.... all periferals work great.... The only thing I really need is a really good set of cameras.... But I plan on getting something from the millitary surplus auction before long.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41695 is a reply to message #41689] Thu, 05 April 2007 02:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I see where you're coming from.

What are your long-term goals? How do you hope to use the skills you plan to acquire?

David
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41696 is a reply to message #41679] Thu, 05 April 2007 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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::Drool::

I hope the grant proposal goes well. I have a friend who is good with grants and gets a new laptop every year as well as a bunch of other nifty gadgets.



It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
Re: In the war between man and machine ...  [message #41699 is a reply to message #41695] Thu, 05 April 2007 10:06 Go to previous message
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Probably as before....... teaching.......



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