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Hi,
Justin Spring performed fabulously at the Beijing Olympics in team competition. Roi est mort (Paul Hamm), vive le roi (Justin Spring). I could not drag my eyes off of the TV, he was fantastic.
Do you like gymnastics?
F.
P.S. There are older videos of Spring on youtube, I think he did better in Beijing...
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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Dear F
Yes I do like gymnastics - very much and will look out for J Spring. If I can find it I'll post a picture of a gymnast I'd like to identify.
I'll look for Spring on utube.
Love,
Anthony
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Dear Fingolfin,
Do you like the look of these?
Love,
Anthony
> I have taken the view that pictures of these young gentlemen could be misconstrued as referring to their (unknown) sexuality, and thus potentially invasive of their privacy. I know they were posted in good faith, and it is that good faith which I have used to remove them also. timmy
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Fingolfin
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Do you?
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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marc
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Personally I believe......
posting pictures of young people on a gay oriented web site is invasive to the person depicted.
It carries the potential of being wrongly associated with a gay sight.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Fingolfin
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Hey Marc,
I agree with you...
However, this topic was somehow led astray, the former idea was to praise the performance of J Spring from the point of view of a keen sportsman and a fan. I really did not mention whether I thought he was handsome or not (go figure ), but the high bar performance itself was the thing that took my breath away.
To Anthony: I like what I see, but as mentioned above, I agree with Marc.
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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On this occasion, certainly, I tend to agree with you Marc.
Posting them here might give the wrong connotations.
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timmy
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Agreed. I have removed them.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, Fingolfin,
I respect that but I found the pictures on the web and probably on a gay site but I can't remember. I think if you put pictures on the web you have made them pretty public so I don't feel guilty about it.
And, yes I did watch quite a number of Justin Spring's videos and you are quite right he is awesome. And I think he's something very special. But would you be surprised to hear I don't lust after him? He's just very good to watch.
So I'm grateful to you for telling me about him.
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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acam wrote:
> Well, Fingolfin,
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> I respect that but I found the pictures on the web and probably on a gay site but I can't remember. I think if you put pictures on the web you have made them pretty public so I don't feel guilty about it.
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> Love,
> Anthony
True enough, you might have indeed found the pictures on a gay website... But that fact is totaly irrelevant as two wrongs do not make a right.
I just believe that we were above that sort of thing.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Fingolfin
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Hey guys,
it is about time to stop biting each other...
On one hand, I understand your explanation, Anthony, you may have found such pictures on the web and even on a gay site. On the other, I agree with Marc. Whoever wants to see young guys I am pretty sure that there are websites dedicated to those.
To give it a halt, absolute response came from Timmy, who removed the pictures.
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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marc
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When I bite, you'll know it.
Truth is that this occurs quite often here.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Fingolfin
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OK, I am still new to this forum, so I am not quite sure what is within the boundaries and what is not.
In that case I apologise for my hasty (as it seems) intervention.
Thank you
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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It seems rather pointless to argue the matter since Timmy has already removed the pictures, but I would just like to go on record that I think that was an unnecessary intervention. First of all, I do not think this is a gay site in the usually accepted meaning of the descriptor. This is a forum where people - mostly gay - discuss all sorts of topics. The rather puritanical view that anything seen or mentioned in this forum labels the subject gay is, in my opinion, untenable. That would mean that if we were to discuss the presidency of Dwight D Eisenhower we would be running the risk of labelling him gay. That is taking matters to the extreme.
Anthony did not suggest the pictures were of gay people. He just thought that they were mildly risqué pictures of athletes which were appropriate to the discussion.
I wholly accept Timmy's action as being final, but I do hope that we do not permit this forum to accept anything like a resident 'arbiter elegantiae'.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Fingolin, rest quiet. You have done nothing wrong. Here everyone is entitled to their opinion, provided it is expressed properly. So far, I have enjoyed reading what you have to say - even when I don;t agree with it.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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I simply agreed with the view expressed previously. I decided that the possible imminent fight would be defused if I deleted the pics.
I was, of course, incorrect in both matters 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Fight? Me? Little Moi?
I haven't even got my claws out and the fight's already over. Heigh ho. Next time.
Over and out.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Fingolfin
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Thank you JFR,
this one felt really good. Being new is never easy, looking around open-mouthed (at some moments). The very last thing I would like to do is hurt someone or get hurt, even at an anonymous forum...
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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Fingolfin
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This is something I indeed like...
Announcing peace before the war itself begins is what prime ministers, presidents, leaders (dictators and fuehrers) should learn from you. I am so proud to be a part of such community.
Thx
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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marc
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There is of course a huge difference between discussing Dwight Eisenhower and placing pictures of boys on the site.
As for ARBITER ELEGANTIE.... Those that live in glass houses and so on...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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I am not fighting...
If i were you would surely know it i am completly sure.
If you want boys posted... say so and I will withhold my opinion.
It really doesnt matter to me all that much....
Although it might to the boys whose pictures are posted.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I can't wait for the 100 meter freestyle human rights violations and the 50 meter suppression of individual rights.
I'm not watching one minute of the Olympics.
Cycling is the one sport where a guy can shave his legs, wear spandex and bright colors, and be accepted.
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I just thought they were pretty good-looking - not quite up to Timmy's birthday present but not far off!
I was surprised when they were disapproved of, but not in the least put out.
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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Rightly or wrongly I went with the consensus that existed at the time. In general I am not concerned either way.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Look..... this is how it is.....
As far as looking at gymnasts... that is not the issue.
It is the fact that this IS a gay website... (irregardless of JFR's opinion it IS A GAY WEBSITE) and whether the boys may or may not have been gay is irrelevant...
The fact is that as a responsible group of adults (mostly...) under the "percieved guise" of a so called 'place of safety'... placing random photos of boys... which might be chanced upon by someone that might know them... could possible link them with the gay community by "accident"
This might get your cute gymnasts tossed off their team... or possibly worse.... It does happen... really... it does!
I just feel that it is better to err to the side of caution here.
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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And your general lack of concern is quite heart warming.
I wonder is the same lack of concern would be exhibited if it were any one else posting the concern?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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They were pictures.
You and others suggested they should not be there.
I responded in a way I felt appropriate, by removing them.
I really am not concerned either way, but I followed that consensus, of which you happened to be a part.
Now you find something else to object to.
If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. You seem determined to have a go at pretty much anyone about pretty much anything. It's way past time to grow past that. This is not an adult behaviour you are exhibiting.
I am not going to debate this with you. I very much hope that no-one is going to debate this with you. What I hope is that you return to behaving well, and that everyone ignores any of your snipes completely. We, by which I do mean "we" in the significant plural, are heartily sick of them.
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I believe it would have been less trouble if we'd had a link to those pictures posted!
Please remember that Timmy has to be responsible for what goes on his site, and while the powers that be are looking for any excuse to pounce where photos are concerned, it's better to play safe in any case.
The question could be asked, 'Did you ask their permission?'. We have to be careful and responsible these days. The point that someone who knows them might just see them on here could have caused far reaching repercussions for them, and yes, it COULD happen. Stranger things happen. Many years back, whilst in the navy, I bumped into someone I knew, (from a short distance down our street), in Hong Kong of all places! What were the chances of that happening?
I'm very certain that no harm was intended by posting the now-removed pictures, but it is a point to bear in mind for the future.
Marc's reference to 'people in glass houses' made me laugh.
Many years ago, before Timmy was born even, (hehehehe), there was a radio comedy show called 'Round the Horne'. I will always remember Kenneth Horne reading one part:
"And now the answer to last week's question, complete the following phrase or saying: 'People in glass houses shouldn't...'. Well of course, that was a trick question, as it is complete as it stands...." (Laughter from the audience).
Actually, apart from making me laugh at the time, (I was about 14), since then it's made me stop and think a few times how true that is. Perhaps we should all stop and think a little more of any repercussions of anything we do publicly.
If this is basically a gay orientated site, then we do have a responsibility to be careful when it comes to people outside our area of contact in all things of a sexual nature. There was nothing lewd or wrong about those photos in a normal sense, but for those that saw them, consider the posture of the boys concerned, and you might begin to see my point if they were still on this site. Far from wishing to be a prude, I'm just a little concerned that someone could really have taken offence over the implied meaning of their reason for being posted.
And now I think we should let it drop, but just think carefully before posting any photographic material of individuals.
Mike
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