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Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69973] Sat, 18 July 2015 19:21 Go to next message
timmy

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I rather hoped milkboys would survive. Until a couple of days ago it had. Now it appears to have become the victim of the thought police. Or, this could be a effect of a software glitch.

The forum was often a pace of vitriol, but quite good hearted for the most part



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69974 is a reply to message #69973] Sat, 18 July 2015 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitzyma is currently offline  Kitzyma

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Following your link does, in fact, go to an account suspended page.
However, it seems to be there when I put http://www.milkyboys.net/index/ in my browser.
Or is that just a 'back door' ? (Oo-er, missus!)
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69975 is a reply to message #69973] Sat, 18 July 2015 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Their "parent" web-site has also been shut down.

How could anyone ever have been offended by Milkboys? 

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[Updated on: Sat, 18 July 2015 21:05]




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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69977 is a reply to message #69974] Sat, 18 July 2015 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Kitzyma wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 21:42Following your link does, in fact, go to an account suspended page.
However, it seems to be there when I put http://www.milkyboys.net/index/ in my browser.
Or is that just a 'back door' ? (Oo-er, missus!)

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You also added a 'y' in the domain name.



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69978 is a reply to message #69975] Sat, 18 July 2015 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I liked Milkboys and followed it for years. I thought it was artistry and high culture.  It depicted an aspect of homosexuality that the culture-at-large would rather not acknowledge and that is youth and beauty in males. 
 
Straight society's tolerance level prefers to go no further than square jaws, beards and hardhats. No one care about what they do, but not someone who looks as close to home as their 18 year old son.  This is a different story.
 
I've always wondered why there aren't more nubile 18 year olds in films or magazines and I am speculating that anyone who specializes in depicting that age range is approached by authorities saying that they don't care about the legal identification.  It isn't going to be enough and that they better look 24 or older we will drag you through court until you are bankrupt.  Speculation on my part but where are the films?
 
I break with convention on these points in that once they got rid of the sodomy laws and weren't jailing homosexuals it was time to get out of the spotlight and keep sexual preference private as it should be for everyone.  There was an important time for "Living Loud being Gay and Proud" GBLT wants to be a political block and be accepted by everyone but the society at large doesn't like homosexuals and never will.  Look at where blacks are today.. There are times in history when coming out is essential and times where being overlooked is a matter of survival.  I am looking at what is on the horizon and I consider it ominous. 
 
Berlin had a dynamic gay culture that was revolutionary and forward thinking. They held the same principles we hold today but in 1933 it all ended abruptly.  The country needed scapegoats and homosexuals were included along with the Jews.  
 
I think gays should get married if they want.  Go to a church where you are accepted or out on a beach at sunrise with family and friends.  Swear an oath to each other,   but why involve the State?   This is dangerous.  Legitimate gay marriage is a Trojan Horse.  Most men don't marry anyway, even straight men have to be tricked into it.  Sometimes I think it is a lesbian value.
 
The more conformist and conventional married gays become it will have the effect of making single gay men even more suspect around anyone under the age of 19.   It narrows the focus.  
 
There is a reason why gay men are fleeing the teaching profession.  Male teachers in public school is down to 15%  and our modern civilization is not in a good mood. 
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69979 is a reply to message #69977] Sat, 18 July 2015 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
timmy wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 21:42
You also added a 'y' in the domain name.

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Oops!
And is/was the milkboys site very different from the milkyboys site?
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69980 is a reply to message #69975] Sat, 18 July 2015 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The Gay Deceiver wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 21:43"
Their "parent" web-site has also been shut down.

How could anyone ever have been offended by Milkboys? 

Warren C. E. Austin
The Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada

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From time to time some of the pictures there were possible to interpret as pornographic by those who interpret things as pornographic



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69981 is a reply to message #69980] Sat, 18 July 2015 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
timmy wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 21:48
Quote:

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From time to time some of the pictures there were possible to interpret as pornographic by those who interpret things as pornographic

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I never saw the milkboys site and only found the milkyboys site tonight by accident when I accidentally added a y to search topic on yahoo search. Having taken a look at the latter site, it seems to be at least mildly porno. Of course, what's an ordinary pic to one person may seem like porno to another. So I wonder why one site should be suspended and the other allowed to carry on?
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69982 is a reply to message #69981] Sat, 18 July 2015 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I think I've said before, my knowledge of computers isn't great, but I like puzzle-solving.
When did the site go down?

If I understand correctly (which I probably don't) I managed to view board post as recent as 18th July
This is what I did:
Went to https://archive.org/web/
typed in milkboys.net
found the last backup was 30th May ( https://web.archive.org/web/20150530180443/http://milkboys.n et/)
On that page clicked on 'Board'
The response was that it didn't have that archived but it was available on the web and gave me the option of loading it. When I told it to load the URL, it said it was an active site as of 18th July and that it had loaded it to
https://web.archive.org/web/20150718231958/http://milkboard. net/

From there, other links to topics were not archived, but when I clicked on them, eg the thread 'The lone-wolf has turned into a pack', it again said it was loading it from the site.
< https://web.archive.org/web/20150718232507/http://milkboard. net/index.php?/topic/590-the-lone-wolf-has-turned-into-a-pac k/>

So if the account is suspended, maybe the pages still exist on the server and this is a way of grabbing them.

I'll try again tomorrow to see if there is any update beyond 18th July

Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69983 is a reply to message #69979] Sun, 19 July 2015 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Kitzyma wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 22:45
"Quote:"
timmy wrote on Sat, 18 July 2015 21:42
You also added a 'y' in the domain name.

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Oops!
And is/was the milkboys site very different from the milkyboys site?

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The Milkboys site and board were very much more discussion oriented, or the parts I visited were, whereas milkYboys seems much more picture oriented. Milkboys also acted as some form of web host for other folks, and I wonder how much control it had over them.

In the past I considered offering web space to others on our server. It is the lack of control of content that leads me not to go down this route, however much I like a site and however hard pressed it is.

If you look at our own history, we, too, have been an internet gypsy, at the whim of others who have moved us on. Now we check with a new server provider before we take up lodgings. That still does not make us bombproof. It simply gives us a good chance



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69984 is a reply to message #69983] Sun, 19 July 2015 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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According to web.archive.org, when I click on a link for a milkboys page that it doesn't already have archived, it can still go and get it today.
i.e.

Page saved as
< https://web.archive.org/web/20150719093237/http://milkboard. net/index.php?/forum/15-where-the-wild-things-are/>
As it appeared on July 19, 2015 9:32:37 AM UTC

Page saved as
< https://web.archive.org/web/20150719093420/http://milkboard. net/index.php?/topic/5-spontaneous-idea/&page=118>
As it appeared on July 19, 2015 9:34:20 AM UTC

The last post in that thread says it was posted 3 hours ago and was:
Skifazoa
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So, is the web archive wrong, or does it have access to a 'back door'?

Kit
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #69986 is a reply to message #69984] Mon, 20 July 2015 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've not seen the site before, but was able to visit the forums fine, though milkboys.net the front page said the site was suspended.



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70017 is a reply to message #69973] Wed, 22 July 2015 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Josh posted this on Twitter 5 days ago:
"You know the drill: We'll be back as soon as we can; thanks for your patience! <3"

Translated: he hasn't paid his hosting bill, and as soon as he has the cash, the site will be back. This has happened at least twice this year.
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70019 is a reply to message #70017] Wed, 22 July 2015 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
notDave wrote on Wed, 22 July 2015 16:35Josh posted this on Twitter 5 days ago:
"You know the drill: We'll be back as soon as we can; thanks for your patience! <3"

Translated: he hasn't paid his hosting bill, and as soon as he has the cash, the site will be back. This has happened at least twice this year.

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Good to know it's the cash police rather than the thought police



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70036 is a reply to message #70019] Sat, 25 July 2015 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes it is.  Perhaps now would be a good time for me to make a donation to his site, just to help him along a little bit sooner.

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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70069 is a reply to message #70019] Mon, 03 August 2015 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
timmy wrote on Wed, 22 July 2015 20:5-Good to know it's the cash police rather than the thought police

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milkboys now appears to be back on line.



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70136 is a reply to message #70069] Sun, 23 August 2015 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And now I'm getting an "Account suspended" message when I go there.
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70140 is a reply to message #70136] Mon, 24 August 2015 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Mark wrote on Sun, 23 August 2015 22:44"
And now I'm getting an "Account suspended" message when I go there.

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I have a feeling it is a cash issue



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Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70165 is a reply to message #70140] Sat, 29 August 2015 01:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
timmy wrote on Mon, 24 August 2015 13:29
"Mark wrote on Sun, 23 August 2015 22:44"
And now I'm getting an "Account suspended" message when I go there.

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I have a feeling it is a cash issue

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And I have a feeling you may be right.  *sigh*
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70177 is a reply to message #70165] Thu, 03 September 2015 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A site like that probably has huge bandwidth requirements, and thus high bills.



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THEY'RE BACK!  [message #70181 is a reply to message #70177] Fri, 04 September 2015 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As of the 1st of September it would appear that Milkboys (the parent site) is again open for business, having been shut down since August 16th.  No explanation, having taken a cursory look around is given for its' being out of service.

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Re: THEY'RE BACK!  [message #70185 is a reply to message #70181] Fri, 04 September 2015 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I noticed that it was back up as well.  I suspect that Timmy and Smokr are right - the site's problems are probably because of a lot of bandwidth use and not a lot of money to pay for it all.
Re: THEY'RE BACK!  [message #70189 is a reply to message #70185] Sun, 06 September 2015 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your best bet for keeping up with the site and its status is to check the Twitter account: https://mobile.twitter.com/milkboys/tweets

The relevant statuses here are from the 19th of August going forward: "@milkboys how come the site is always getting suspended?"

Some users comment that it's probably because of site content; Josh dismisses that and says it's because he's having trouble paying the server bill, and because people donate using Bitcoin, which is difficult to convert to a simpler payment method.
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70229 is a reply to message #69973] Wed, 23 September 2015 04:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I clicked the link and it says "Account Suspended" Sad
Re: Milkboys and the thought police  [message #70378 is a reply to message #70229] Tue, 20 October 2015 01:01 Go to previous message
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Just a note to let everyone know they're back.
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