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timmy
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It's not just disgust, it's supreme disgust.
The Anglicans are a global movement, reporting in to The Archbishop of Canterbury in England. It's quite an important sect of Christianity.. And very much associated with them is the Episcopal Church - a movement that had to break away in the USA after independence because it kind of failed to wish to sear allegiance to the British monarch. I can see their point.
Yesterday the Episcopalians voted a second gay bishop into place.
Yesterday Rowan William, Arch-Hypocrite fo Canterbury, told them in no uncertain terms to get back into line - his line. But WIlliams can't bring himself to condemn Uganda and the church there who want to go all out and kill gay folk for being gay.
Some christian, Rowan Williams is.
Read more at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/dec/06/rowan-uganda-homophobia-lesbian-bishop and at http://timtrent.blogspot.com/2009/12/anglican-church-and-lesbian-bishop.html
It looks very much as though it is another time for gay folk to stand up for ourselves
[Updated on: Sun, 06 December 2009 17:50]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Macky
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The Episcopal church has always had a strange relationship to Catholicism in the US. Unofficially Episcopalianism is divided into low church and high church. Low church is sorta protestant and High church is sort of Catholic (an episcopal church in Philly is jokingly called "Smokey Mary's due to excessive incense usage).
I went to the Episcopal Church for about 5 years, (mainly because of their choral program). I was surprised to meet the local president of the Roman Catholic Gay organization "Dignity" there. He was an Episcopalian and also was head of "Integrity", the Episcopal gay movement. Interestingly, this guy went on to become a Monk, not sure if it was Episcopalian or Anglican Franciscan.
If his leadership of Dignity was a portent of Episcopal leadership, where Episcopal influences Roman Catholic, the Pope's latest move to woo Episcopalians into his fold might have the unintended consequence of reforming Roman Catholicism in the United States.
Macky
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
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The Anglican (Episcopalian) Church is a strange beast. It calls itself a catholic church which means it covers everybody and everything, high amd low, and if you try to please everyone, you will end up by pleasing no one.
In England, but not in the outposts of the UK it is the established church which means it has to minister to everyone, (baptism, marriage and funeral) whether they are churchgoers or not.
In my lifetime the Archbishops of Canterbury have become increasingly weaker. Rowan Williams is a particularly weak specimen of a 'leader' and naturally the C of E has suffered from his weak leadership. Nature knows no vacuums and so lesser mortals with natural authority have led to splits. Now that there is a threat of implosion in the C of E Williams is trying to re-assert his authority and his assertion of authority is leading to panic decisions which as I said earlier please nobody.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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That was the longest way of saying "Canterbury is an arse" that I've seen so far.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I quite like Canterbury. It's got a very nice cathedral.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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Inserting the latter in the former has great appeal, then.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hypocrisy will serve as well
To propagate a church as zeal
And hypocrisy is inevitable in religions of the book since there is no way of changing god's mind or unwriting his word and, of course, the men who wrote the book like all men had limited foresight and made mistakes.
What I can't understand is why people go on believing any of this stuff.
And when you see cantuar squirming on the horns of the dilemma and coming down on the wrong side - well thats democracy for you as there are more anglicans to lose in Africa than in the USA. Rowan Williams can count!
Love,
Anthony
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timmy wrote:
> It looks very much as though it is another time for gay folk to stand up for ourselves
We are more alone than most think.
I read recently that a VERY large amount of oil was just discovered under Uganda. Soon countries will be lining up to kiss their ass in order to get some of this oil...
Maybe US "intelligence" can discover some weapons of mass destruction being hidden in the country.
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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Several decades ago we'd just have sent a gunboat. Sometimes I wonder whether the world has truly improved.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Somehow or other, Timmy, the first para of your blogspot entry is garbled.
And a 'right' is a power. Homosexuals ought to have rights to equal treatment but those rights aren't complete even in England today. In Uganda homosexuals have no rights.
A right is something the law and the police will support you in.
Homosexuals will never be fully equal until the christian churches and the mosques and all the rest have rewritten their holy books. The pope will never treat you or me equally, even if you join Mr Bliar's labour party (and I can't see that happening in a hurry, can you?  )
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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"This Uganda proposed and 99% certain to be passed bill to execute HIV+ gay men and to do so much more and criminalise friends and neighbours of gay men for not telling the authorities what you know about them has got me thinking." is what it says
[Updated on: Tue, 08 December 2009 13:57]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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