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Wed, 06 May 2009 14:23

Macky

Really getting into it

Location: USA
Registered: November 2008
Messages: 973

I'm starting this thread per Dee's sugestion. It got unwieldy under 'Parents'

Its a very important subject for me. I've come to a deterministic view of life after a lifetime of deep consideration. In a word, an individual can not be blamed for his actions. In fact, is there really anything individual in our makeup? I don't see what it might be. I understand the nature of genetics. I understand the nurture of society. I can not fathom what else that can go into our makeup, save by belief in something like a soul. I would love to believe that, but I need a basis for that belief.

Now I realize that this has a huge implication on personal responsibility. If I am not guilty for anything, why should I control myself? But you can also view this from the other side, and accept guilt for deeds not perpetrated by your hand, via your membership in the society that produced the malefactor. If we lay blame on individuals, are we not at the same time absolving ourself of any societal responsibility to eradicate evil? So there are knarley problems on both sides of the issue.

So, if you are a 'free will' groupie, then tell me what is the origin of that free will. If it is neither nuture nor nature, I fail to see what it could be.

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB

		Guilt By: Macky on Wed, 06 May 2009 14:23
		No. By: timmy on Wed, 06 May 2009 14:34
		Re: No. By: arich on Wed, 06 May 2009 15:13
		Re: No. By: acam on Wed, 06 May 2009 20:25
		Re: Guilt By: arich on Wed, 06 May 2009 15:23
		Re: Guilt By: ray2x on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:58
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 21:54
		Re: Guilt By: ray2x on Fri, 08 May 2009 00:36
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Fri, 08 May 2009 01:08
		Re: Guilt By: Blumoogle on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:20
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Fri, 08 May 2009 22:10
		Re: Guilt By: ray2x on Sat, 09 May 2009 04:40
		Society. By: timmy on Wed, 06 May 2009 16:06
		Re: Society. By: arich on Wed, 06 May 2009 17:27
		Re: Guilt By: Blumoogle on Wed, 06 May 2009 19:45
		Free will By: acam on Wed, 06 May 2009 20:55
		Re: Free will By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 00:22
		Re: Free will By: acam on Thu, 07 May 2009 07:29
		Re: Free will By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 15:27
		Re: Free will By: acam on Thu, 07 May 2009 15:55
		Re: Free will By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 18:07
		Re: Free will By: acam on Thu, 07 May 2009 20:13
		Responce to Anthony's PS By: Blumoogle on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:31
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Wed, 06 May 2009 21:02
		Guilt. now here is guilt. (0.9 probability) By: timmy on Wed, 06 May 2009 21:35
		Re: Guilt By: Blumoogle on Wed, 06 May 2009 21:52
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 00:52
		Dogma and excuses By: timmy on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:20
		Re: Dogma and excuses By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:29
		Reliance on fatalsim By: timmy on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:41
		Re: Reliance on fatalsim By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 18:27
		Re: Reliance on fatalsim By: timmy on Thu, 07 May 2009 21:37
		Re: Reliance on fatalsim By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:05
		Revelations By: timmy on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:26
		Re: Revelations By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:37
		Metaphysics By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 03:09
		Re: Metaphysics By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:59
		Re: Metaphysics By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 21:35
		Re: Metaphysics By: acam on Thu, 07 May 2009 16:23
		Re: Guilt By: JimB on Thu, 07 May 2009 15:26
		Re: Guilt By: arich on Thu, 07 May 2009 17:10
		Instantaneous action at a distance By: acam on Thu, 07 May 2009 20:35
		Re: Instantaneous action at a distance By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:16
		Re: Instantaneous action at a distance By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36
		Re: Guilt By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:18
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:27
		Philosophy By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:41
		Re: Philosophy By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:54
		Re: Philosophy By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 23:11
		Re: Philosophy By: Macky on Fri, 08 May 2009 01:14
		Re: Philosophy By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 08:58
		Popper By: saben on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:03
		Re: Popper & white swans By: acam on Sat, 09 May 2009 10:30
		Re: Guilt By: JimB on Thu, 07 May 2009 23:49
		Re: Guilt By: saben on Fri, 08 May 2009 00:18
		Re: Guilt By: JimB on Fri, 08 May 2009 01:00
		Re: Guilt By: saben on Fri, 08 May 2009 05:58
		Re: Guilt By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 10:14
		Re: Guilt By: Macky on Fri, 08 May 2009 14:03
		Re: Guilt By: acam on Sat, 09 May 2009 10:38
		Re: Guilt By: JimB on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:20
		Re: Guilt By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 09:16
		Re: Guilt By: arich on Fri, 08 May 2009 14:02
		Re: Guilt By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 09:08
		Determinism By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 21:50
		Re: Determinism By: Macky on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:33
		Re: Determinism By: saben on Thu, 07 May 2009 22:45
		Re: Determinism By: acam on Fri, 08 May 2009 10:19
		Re: Names and Initials By: Blumoogle on Fri, 08 May 2009 16:00
		Re: Names and Initials By: Nigel on Fri, 08 May 2009 21:18
		Re: Names and Initials By: Macky on Fri, 08 May 2009 23:36
		Re: Names and Initials By: Aussie on Sat, 09 May 2009 05:31
		Re: Names and Initials By: Blumoogle on Sun, 10 May 2009 18:07
		Re: Names and Initials By: acam on Sun, 10 May 2009 21:19
		Re: Names and Initials By: acam on Sun, 10 May 2009 21:20
		Re: Names and Initials By: Blumoogle on Mon, 11 May 2009 22:30
		Re: Names and Initials By: JimB on Tue, 12 May 2009 22:58
		Re: Names and Initials By: Blumoogle on Thu, 14 May 2009 10:08
		Re: Names and Initials By: Aussie on Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31
		Re: Names and Initials By: acam on Sat, 09 May 2009 10:46

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