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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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We have often heard it said that a child under the age of sexual consent has seduced a man or a woman over the age of consent. Elsewhere we can argue about the age of consent itself. I am more interested in setting the law onto a shelf and ignoring it for discussion purposes and considering the act of the seducer and the act of the seduced.
Hermes has said quite clearly that he seduced an older person when he was eight or nine years old. He expressed the experience as what he wanted, that penetration was initially painful, and that he then enjoyed the experience sufficiently to repeat it more than once.
At eight or nine years old I refuse to judge Hermes and boys and girls like him. Sex is, after all, great fun. If they seduce an older person and have great fun, and if they are physically not harmed in any way, I think they should be allowed to be free from any form of guilt (a societal concept in any case). In the same way that a child is not judged for scratching an itch, why should it be judged for scratching a more interesting itch?
So why do I feel uncomfortable about the adult in the relationship? Sex is fun. The child is not only willing, but is the instigator and wants to repeat the experience. Pregnancy is impossible. Intellectually I see that there is no abuse, though I do have concerns about disparity in size and strength.
But there is a size and strength disparity between men and women over the age of consent. So is that concern of mine truly valid with a child?
I still feel emotionally uncomfortable though I am intellectually at peace.
In the past I have often thought that those who are uncomfortable with something may not be uncomfortable with the thing, but with their own desire to do that thing. But I do not desire to do that thing. But, assuming no illegality, would I turn away from the child as seducer and not allow myself to be seduced?
I do not subscribe to the alleged ethics of the those who advocate sex with children. I see those who do as being in some way emotionally and intellectually deficient. I also do not subscribe to the idea that children must be given everything that they ask for. A child asking for sex may be refused with politeness and no qualms or misgivings at all. But why is the converse not true? Why do I feel uneasy about accepting such an invitation were it to be made?
Let me remind you that I am suspending, for the purposes of discussion, any consideration of 'age of consent'. I am simply looking at young and older people, smaller and larger people, people who probably know their own minds and people who may or may not know them well. So do, please think before a knee jerk salvo is fired.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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seduction and ages
By: timmy on Fri, 17 September 2010 13:09 |
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By: timmy on Fri, 17 September 2010 16:04 |
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By: timmy on Fri, 17 September 2010 17:39 |
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Re: seduction and ages
By: saben on Sat, 18 September 2010 07:25 |
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By: timmy on Sat, 18 September 2010 14:10 |
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By: saben on Sat, 18 September 2010 15:08 |
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By: saben on Sat, 18 September 2010 15:33 |
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These arguments fail at a basic level
By: timmy on Sun, 19 September 2010 18:26 |
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