I expect simple behaviours here. Friendship, and love. Any advice should be from the perspective of the person asking, not the person giving! We have had to make new membership moderated to combat the huge number of spammers who register
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
I have just had a privileged view of this short film. It reflects the attitudes prevalent in the UK under section 28 of the Local Government Act, though the act itself is not necessarily relevant to the film.
I was going to embed an interview with the director, but the sound quality is poor and it's a bit of a precious interview really.
Instead I've embedded what is, for me, probably not the best of the film, but is poignant nonetheless.
Location: USA
Registered: November 2008
Messages: 973
This is a nice story, mostly. It says a lot about the progress made by gays over the years. But the question that kept rolling through my mind as I read the article "What of Katz's wife?" She is not mentioned in the story at all. It seems to me that a gay man (or straight man for that matter) owes something to his wife who bore him 3 kids. I can't see how one feels justified dumping the wife for a new mate despite the marriage vows. The fact that a guy is gay should not be an excuse to break a wedding deal. Yet, somehow, I feel that many gay men feel justified to do so.
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13751
I have had enough. Religions, quasi religions, determinism, the good and the pure crap are OFF LIMITS. If you have a secret friend, good. keep it secret. Mine is a six foot rabbit named Harvey.
If you have replaced your secret friend with some other mumbo jumbo, good. Harvey may be interested. Talk to him using telepathy. If he hears you he will talk back. But keep this OFF the board.
Location: USA
Registered: November 2008
Messages: 973
Perhaps it is time to start a new thread. Let me start by thanking Timmy for the reassurance that I was not being picked on, in the “Moral Question” thread. That is a good thing to know.
In order to avoid any further miscommunication I would like to make sure I understand this situation.
Could you please enlighten me on what exactly it means to offer an opinion, as was requested in the original post? Of the following definitions of “opinion”, which are acceptable and which are not.
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion
Could you also explain exactly how my declaration “sex between adults children is categorically wrong”, differs substantially from the quotes of other contributors sited in my previous post i.e “it is wrong”?
Is this truly just a matter of semantics, or your personal prejudice towards certain idiomatic phrases? You seem to be particularly bothered by the phrase “Stand up and be counted”, endowing it with a somewhat combative connotation. That is not my understanding of the phrase. I tend to agree with the following explanation:
stand up and be counted,
Reveal one's convictions or opinions, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stand%20up%20and%20be%20counted
I might suggest that in order to help posters to this site avoid any further complications you post a list of all idioms, phrases, words, and figures of speech you find objectionable and invite other contributors to add to it. I would think we want to do everything we possibly can to prevent any hurt feelings.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
Ps 133:1 NASB
Location: USA
Registered: November 2008
Messages: 973
All this PR over Adam Lambert as the first GAY American Idol, from the show of the same name...All over some sensuous kissing photos on the internet. I don't think this says anything about Adam's sexuality. I think that our culture is changing and the older generation is befuddled by it. Anyway, Clay Aiken was already the first gay american idol, and there was never a question about his being gay when he was a contestant.
BTW, have you all heard Susan Boyle from "Britain's Got Talent". She's sensational! I like her rendition of "The Promise" much better than the original Broadway.
Location: Seaofstars
Registered: August 2003
Messages: 563
Mr. Peabody and his faithful boy Sherman set there way back machine to the late 60’s to visit King Crimson. So then we start with “In The Court of The Crimson King.” From a time when the world was moved ever so slightly by the alchemy of the human mind.
The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournaments begun.
The purple piper plays his tune,
The choir softly sing;
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue,
For the court of the crimson king.
The keeper of the city keys
Put shutters on the dreams.
I wait outside the pilgrims door
With insufficient schemes.
The black queen chants
The funeral march,
The cracked brass bells will ring;
To summon back the fire witch
To the court of the crimson king.
The gardener plants an evergreen
Whilst trampling on a flower.
I chase the wind of a prism ship
To taste the sweet and sour.
The pattern juggler lifts his hand;
The orchestra begin.
As slowly turns the grinding wheel
In the court of the crimson king.
On soft gray mornings widows cry
The wise men share a joke;
I run to grasp divining signs
To satisfy the hoax.
The yellow jester does not play
But gentle pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king
Cadence and cascade
Kept a man named jade;
Cool in the shade
While his audience played.
Purred, whispered, spend us too:
We only serve for you.
Sliding mystified
On the wine of the tide
Stared pale-eyed
As his veil fell aside.
Sad paper courtesan
They found him just a man.
Caravan hotel
Where the sequin spell fell
Custom of the game.
Cadence oiled in love
Licked his velvet gloved hand
Cascade kissed his name.
Sad paper courtesan
They knew him just a man.
::-)
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
Location: England
Registered: November 2003
Messages: 1756
At 11.43 hrs GMT/UTC on Friday, 20 March, the sun will appear to cross the equator over the Gulf of Guinea near Sao Tome on its journey northwards. We in the northern hemisphere can look forward to days longer than the night.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
Watch my from afar
Take me in with every breath
Breathe in and deceive me
Some call you a twisted devil
You're a soft shell with hard armor
Wrap me in silk, take me on streets of gold
The crowd is waiting, for a chance to have their say
Untie and unwrap my delicate body
Desire, may go unfulfilled. It depends if you catch me.
Still, we can dream, can't we.
Special moments of love and laughter, brought together in a moment of bliss
The fun's just getting started.
If you plan to take me out, you're paying.
I won't let you get away that easily.
I'll put on a smile, and show you a great time.
Twas what I was meant to do, you are the pet. Pet's obey the Master
Caught in the middle, between freedom and sacrifice.
Will you be a pawn as well, then enjoy such love I give you
The moment was meant for you.
Delicate and frail, I shall give your life meaning..
"Do not disappoint me."
Those words were said with a kiss.
I was needed. So I'll smile once more.
Take the high road, it's slower.
Slower paced, don't get your face flustered.
Leave me a note when you're ready to leave..
I'll take to heart the time we had
It was great, it was grand- best time I ever had.
You had to leave, I know it's true.
Still, I'll never forget, or get over you..
No matter how long..
There's me. There's you. We complete each other, yet we must be torn apart..
~Title: Of Purity and Darkness
~Written by: Joshua Ward
~Date: February 4, 2009
~Time: 10:11 AM
~Enjoy
~Josh~
~Of Purity and Darkness..
Love is an ocean of purity and darkness
Sacrifice the life to see the light that will pierce through
The sinking, burning feeling of falling, into an ocean of pain
A twisted love, some are meant to enjoy.. Was it worth it?
Look back on a memory, a good one. See friends, family to call your own
Not alone, though you've told yourself that too many times before.
Promises sometimes fade, into the deepest of black.
Not red anymore, like my heart which beats in earnest for you.
Can't seem to find reason behind the hidden emotion
What words could describe, the most petty of features?
You are white, I am black. I've accepted it, I'm always at your back
Connected through strands of red ribbon. You dress up nicely.
It's a compliment, so a kiss will ensue.
You're delicate, I'm frail, yet we still need each other.
Friends, lovers, so many words to describe a simple, exhausting feeling..
Starts with L ends with e - everything in-between is messed up
Hollow I sometimes feel, no point in denying it now, right?
So we made out and had a good time, when I was yours, and you were mine
Looking back, the canvas was too small to paint your portrait on
Delicate and beautiful, inside and out; that's what I thought of you then.
Even now, my heart still beats for you, I'm flustered when I think of you..
Yet I've fallen in too deep in my own ocean.
So it's time you float away into your own. "Don't worry" I'll say with a smile
One last kiss for luck. Beautiful times.
Now, I'll be the one to let go of your hand..
Letter
Written by: Joshua Ward
I hope you like it.
~End~
~~
~Letter
Pull at my heartstrings
Do you like the sound I make
When you're at 'work' and I'm at home
You're always late, it's a wonder why I'm still with you
Tore my heart to pieces, you've already done that
Far too many times to count
So I sit here, in my chair, staring out the window
Staring at the ocean, we used to play and dance while it rained
Memories of under the knife, your pearls wrapped around my neck
"I look better blood-stained.."
Perhaps in another life, you're nothing..
Crossing over boundaries; I laughed as your lips grazed my neck
Caught and trapped, what's a boy to do, but pray..
So I'm lost now on Main Street, I smile at the oddities in life and love
I rains, and I can hear the train sirens calling..
If I ever do let go, thank you.
You turned me into something new; heart is more gentle, and I'm better now.
Thank you..
If you ever read this, don't blame yourself.
Smile, kay.
Title: Sleep
Written by: Joshua Ward
I hope you like it.
~~
~Sleep
When you wrap your arms around me
The world falls asunder
I'm lifted into space
Seeing how the race of time flies
Space floats underneath my fingertips
Lightweight, floating into space; worries all carried away into emptiness
We all long to fill the void; yet still, hurting others is no joke.
It's a wonder what people think when they do so..
But now let's move on and turn the page of our daily lives
Filled with dance, chances and sweet long romances
Why do we flee, when the chance is either red or green
Petal to the metal, we want to drive our pain onto the other side
Turn the page, a nice forest with white little birds
A happy family, to be sure; the one you longed to have, a thousand miles of love and fairytales
Sweet and sincere, the smile on our face. I was blushing in the rain
Mentally in love, a simple touch could mean so much. Who knew?
We are like sparrows, searching for a place to land
With a lover, found and safe, I'll take your hand, and take a stand when you're down..
It's all I can do to make you see, Time is not exactly perfect; I try to fill the emptiness
Write a note on a tree; Leave me in secrecy; smile for me under my pillow..
Location: South Africa - Gauteng
Registered: January 2007
Messages: 309
What Will Be Will Be...
Don't invite yourself in and don't get settled down,
You may be prince charming but you still don't wear the crown.
Its easy to say you'll fit right in,
But time will test your growing grin.
The game of life was set in motion,
Playing hard with no set notion.
Roll the dice and make your play,
You'll soon find out its you who'll pay.
I stuck it out and hoped for more,
It was like beating on the now closed door.
I found no resolve with you by my side,
It was painfully true what needed be done.
It broke my heart knowing that I tried,
But still I knew the end had begun.
I tried not to hurt you I really tried hard,
But you forced my hand the final card.
To soften the blow would do us no good,
There was no way out I did what I could.
You did me no favors I am who I am,
You showed me we weren't all Glitz and Glam.
I did what I did so you did not have to,
I may have dropped the ball but so did you.
Now its ended and neither one won,
A game we thought was meant to be fun.
So I reset the board and wiped the slate clean,
And tried to forget what was and had been.
By : Michael-Kent Dobison
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
Due to my inability to think, I've presented you all with a short Christmas Poem^_^ I tried my best to not make it a sad one, so no sad faces, kay^_^ :heart:
I'll probably go to bed soon.
So I'll see you guys tomorrow, kay?^-^
Goodnight :heart:
Sleep well.
~Josh~
Title: Sleep a little more
Written by: Joshua Ward
Date: December 26, 2008
Time: 10:24 PM
I hope you like it.
~Josh~
~~~~~
~Sleep a little more...
Keep me smiling, keep me safe
Keep the memory awake
Don't let me drop, don't let me go
So that I can forever show
You the world for once or twice
Take my hand, fears become ice
We slide upon with my hand clenched
This is a time, I won't forget
Taken chances, taken time
The mystery within your mind
It's closed off, no trespassing
I can't get there, so I will sing
A song for you, maybe you'll like
Take you to a paradise
Tonight I'll close the glowing door
So that you can sleep a little more..
I took off my shoes as I entered the hallway
Thousands of miles between the walls, I'm turning red inside
I grab a towel, wash my face, put it away for some other time
If ever I could find what I am looking for..
I needed something, different and real,
Not something that blinded, so I couldn't feel..
I am falling down, the highway
Fall into the danger zone again,
Rip me up, tear me apart on the inside
And I will smile, for a little while
With you
Take me places, take some time
Let me know that I can find, (you)
You're invisible..
Take a lighter, just in case we can't erase the moment
Catch a butterfly, that sign of atonement
Catch me when I fall
I've seen it all, been there done that over one or twice
I've come across that old expression, was it fun?
Life's just begun for you, there's a new life that's waiting for you
Deep in slumber while you wait
I'll find and caress, cause you're the one that knows me best
That's what you said..
But how can I believe you when you
Took away everything..
Anything I ever wanted, thoughts of tempting midnight sex and
It, wasn't right, yet I did it anyway
Caught up in my moment I was so alive..
Location: Israel
Registered: October 2004
Messages: 1367
From Ynet news:
Two passengers on an Israir flight from Moscow to Eilat were detained Tuesday upon reaching Israel, after rioting on board their plane. One of the men bit a flight attendant's buttocks, while the other punched his wife. The two men were slapped with fines and sentenced to an eight-day prison term. They will later be deported to Russia, an Eilat court ruled. The incident took place on Saturday after the passengers, Dmitry Tsintsdza and Dmitry Kazkow, had too much to drink, resorting to some reckless behaviour on board the plane. Tsintsdza yelled and broke seats, and when a stewardess attempted to calm him he bit her rear-end. Soon after, Kazkow followed suit, punching his wife after she pleaded with him to behave. Police officers were waiting for the two friends upon arrival, and led them to the nearest jail cell. Judge Erez Yekuel sentenced the two men to eight days in prison and a probation period of 12 months. In addition, Tsintsdza will have to compensate the stewardess to the tune of $500, and pay the airline $250. Meanwhile, Kazkow had to sign a $6,300 promissory note, obligating him to refrain from hitting his wife again.
JFR
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Location: Israel
Registered: October 2004
Messages: 1367
1. *_My mother taught me TO APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE _*.
'If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I just finished
cleaning.'
2. *_My mother taught me RELIGION _*.
'You better pray that this will come out of the carpet.'
3. *_My mother taught me about TIME TRAVEL _*.
'If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of
next week!'
4. *_My mother taught me LOGIC _*.
' Because I said so, that's why.'
5. *_My mother taught me MORE LOGIC _*.
'If you fall out of that swing and break your neck, you're not going to
the store with me.'
6. *_My mother taught me FORESIGHT _*.
'Make sure you wear clean underwear, in case you're in an accident.'
7. *_My mother taught me IRONY _*.
'Keep crying, and I'll give you something to cry about.'
8. *_My mother taught me about the science of OSMOSIS _*.
'Shut your mouth and eat your supper.'
9. *_My mother taught me about CONTORTIONISM _*.
'Will you look at that dirt on the back of your neck!'
10. *_My mother taught me about STAMINA _*
'You'll sit there until all that spinach is gone.'
11. *_My mother taught me about WEATHER _*.
'This room of yours looks as if a tornado went through it.'
12. *_My mother taught me about HYPOCRISY _*
'If I told you once, I've told you a million times. Don't exaggerate!'
13. *_My mother taught me the CIRCLE OF LIFE _*.
'I brought you into this world, and I can take you out.'
14. *_My mother taught me about BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION _*.
'Stop acting like your father!'
15. *_My mother taught me about ENVY _*.
'There are millions of less fortunate children in this world who don't
have wonderful parents like you do.'
16. *_My mother taught me about ANTICIPATION _*.
'Just wait until we get home.'
17. *_My mother taught me about RECEIVING _*
'You are going to get it when you get home!'
18. *_My mother taught me MEDICAL SCIENCE _*.
'If you don't stop crossing your eyes, they are going to get stuck that
way.'
19. *_My mother taught me ESP _*.
'Put your sweater on; don't you think I know when you are cold?'
20. *_My mother taught me HUMOR _*.
'When that lawn mower cuts off your toes, don't come running to me.'
21. *_My mother taught me HOW TO BECOME AN ADULT _*.
'If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up.'
22. *_My mother taught me GENETICS _*.
'You're just like your father.'
23. *_My mother taught me about my ROOTS _*.
'Shut that door behind you. Do you think you were born in a barn?'
24. *_My mother taught me WISDOM _*.
'When you get to be my age, you'll understand.'
25. And my favorite: *_My mother taught me about JUSTICE _*
'One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out just like you '
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Location: South Africa - Gauteng
Registered: January 2007
Messages: 309
This is a strictly mathematical viewpoint...
it goes like this:
What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than
100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they
are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those
meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%.
How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in
life?
Here's a little mathematical formula that might help
you answer these questions:
If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O
P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty
that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you
close, and Attitude will get you there, it's the
Bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the
top.
"REMEMBER SOME PEOPLE ARE ALIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE
IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT THEM
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
The first one, Sip. I know it's depressing. I'm not sad, I wasn't when I wrote this, I merely wrote it because I wanted to. It is depressing, so if you don't want to be depressed, don't read.
~Josh~
Title: Sip
Written by: Joshua Ward
Inspired by: "Desperation" by ~Amuris
Date: October 31, 2008
--Enjoy
~Sip
Spin round, likea tabletop
All things in motion, forgetting we are not
Seeing through this deep dark mist
Escaping it all more a moment of bliss
Tainted flesh, innocence gone
Memories fade, into the black dark hall
Of the night
Remember, even through
Defeat the darkness inside of you
Take a knife and cut away
All those broken memories and empty days
Many cold stares down your back
Wanting to crawl away and hack,
Into the 'real world' where flesh is bone
Darkness' stench, it now has a home
Inside your mind, rotting you through
The release of the knife is gratifying to you
Go now, throw yourself away
Back into the heartless events of that day
You aren't human anymore
Just a shadow, a plaything
The eagles claws tear at your skin
Erasing all but everything
So live now, in the shadow of your former
Go on and die, out of desperation
The sweetest nectar, red and thick
Would you mind if I had a sip
Of your blood...
~End~
--
Next one, Peace. Personally, I didn't think Sip was depressing. I know it would be for some people, but I didn't view it like that. Perhaps I have written this next one out of guilt. I tend to do that. Anyway, I hope you've enjoyed the poems. Have a good day everyone.
~Josh~
Title: Peace
Written by: Joshua Ward
Format: Six short poems
Inspiration: My Friends
Date: October 31, 2008
--
~Peace
Would you be mine if I asked you to
Would you be mine if I said I do
Would you be mine even all the way
Would you be mine right in my darkened day
--
Seperatng fact from fiction
Giving loss to expectation
Being one with nature, such a compliment
To all of your heaven;y features
--
I call you an angel, you call me a doll
I get on your nerves, you tell me to back off
Was this what we signed up for, maybe not
But regardless I'll keep living, cause you're all that I got
--
Peace, mind, strength, tranquility
The signs that gentle storms' great ferocity
Beauty beyond compare
Fly up high, wait for me. I'll meet you there
--
Destined to crumble, destined to fall
You lie through your teeth, faking a smile just to end it all
At night, when I see you in in your eyes
No longer smiling, you're better then that, better then all those lies
--
Going on a journey, to the far off space
Searching for an answer, to the human race
With my heart, I'll take you with me all the way
But darling, I'll come back here, and hold you in my arms again someday..
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